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Radeon 9500 Pro defintely not living up to expectations

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Capnroy89

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I'm trying to run a game, and I'm looking at the FPS, and when I run the game in full screen, I get about 60 FPS. However, when I run it in windowed mode, I get about 500 FPS. I know windowed mode will always run better, but there shouldn't be this much of a jump when running from full screen to windowed. Full screen also plays choppy and laggy. I have an XP 2100+, so it's not computer speed that is causing this. Are there any suggestions of what I should do to possibly fix this problem? So far I have:

Installed Catalyst 3.1 drivers
Updated to Direct X 9


Anything else I could do to improve performance, like changing something in the BIOs or something?
 
What game? Make sure you have your agp aparture size set accordingly, and 9500 will probably want "fast writes" make sure you have 4x AGP turned on also.
 
What did you upgrade from? Unfortunately, the often recommended and only sure-fire method for a successful installation of ATI drivers is a clean installation of your OS. If you don't want to re-install Windows there's a rather involved method of editing your registry and clearing out system files that can be found at Rage3D in the forums/drivers section. Its stickied at the top. There's also a driver uninstaller that can be found at driverheaven that has been recommended. Starting clean with a fresh installation will at least narrow down your issue to a driver or a hardware problem.

Chiz
 
Originally posted by: Capnroy89
I'm trying to run a game, and I'm looking at the FPS, and when I run the game in full screen, I get about 60 FPS. However, when I run it in windowed mode, I get about 500 FPS. I know windowed mode will always run better, but there shouldn't be this much of a jump when running from full screen to windowed. Full screen also plays choppy and laggy. I have an XP 2100+, so it's not computer speed that is causing this. Are there any suggestions of what I should do to possibly fix this problem? So far I have:

Installed Catalyst 3.1 drivers
Updated to Direct X 9


Anything else I could do to improve performance, like changing something in the BIOs or something?
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I think I see a possible "problem" here . . . how was it before the DX9 "upgrade"?

Also, what Chizow said re: driver "cleaning" is correct . . . what O/S do you have? (XP's "restore" simplifies driver installation and "return" to DX8.)

 
Originally posted by: chizow
What did you upgrade from? Unfortunately, the often recommended and only sure-fire method for a successful installation of ATI drivers is a clean installation of your OS. If you don't want to re-install Windows there's a rather involved method of editing your registry and clearing out system files that can be found at Rage3D in the forums/drivers section. Its stickied at the top. There's also a driver uninstaller that can be found at driverheaven that has been recommended. Starting clean with a fresh installation will at least narrow down your issue to a driver or a hardware problem.

Chiz
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I use Reg Cleaner. It's quite simple. Just install, run, find the ATI entries, and clear them.

My order of operations:

Add/Remove Software: Remove ATI Display drivers
Run Reg Cleaner and clear ATI entries
Reboot
Install latest ATI Display drivers
Reboot
Install latest ATI Control Panel
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: chizow
What did you upgrade from? Unfortunately, the often recommended and only sure-fire method for a successful installation of ATI drivers is a clean installation of your OS. If you don't want to re-install Windows there's a rather involved method of editing your registry and clearing out system files that can be found at Rage3D in the forums/drivers section. Its stickied at the top. There's also a driver uninstaller that can be found at driverheaven that has been recommended. Starting clean with a fresh installation will at least narrow down your issue to a driver or a hardware problem.

Chiz
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I use Reg Cleaner. It's quite simple. Just install, run, find the ATI entries, and clear them.
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That "simple" process might work on your "simple" 7500, but since we don't use the same video card, its not quite that "simple".

Thanks 🙂

Chiz
 
Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: chizow
What did you upgrade from? Unfortunately, the often recommended and only sure-fire method for a successful installation of ATI drivers is a clean installation of your OS. If you don't want to re-install Windows there's a rather involved method of editing your registry and clearing out system files that can be found at Rage3D in the forums/drivers section. Its stickied at the top. There's also a driver uninstaller that can be found at driverheaven that has been recommended. Starting clean with a fresh installation will at least narrow down your issue to a driver or a hardware problem.

Chiz
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I use Reg Cleaner. It's quite simple. Just install, run, find the ATI entries, and clear them.
Click to expand...

That "simple" process might work on your "simple" 7500, but since we don't use the same video card, its not quite that "simple".

Thanks 🙂

Chiz
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Getting really fed up with you thinking that just because I own a 7500, I know jack about other ATI products. I guess if you owned a GeForce3 you wouldn't be able to say jack about a GeForce4? I think not. The process I described works for other Radeon owners, including owners of Radeon 8500 and 9000 cards. Why don't you try my process before boo-hooing it? Or, are you afraid of admitting that I have a better way of doing things?
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Getting really fed up with you thinking that just because I own a 7500, I know jack about other ATI products. I guess if you owned a GeForce3 you wouldn't be able to say jack about a GeForce4? I think not. The process I described works for other Radeon owners, including owners of Radeon 8500 and 9000 cards. Why don't you try my process before boo-hooing it? Or, are you afraid of admitting that I have a better way of doing things?
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Well I have to question your knowledge, since your "simple" process does absolutely nothing to clear out the registry.

I guess you haven't noticed that as soon as you reboot, Windows simply reloads the existing .dll, inf and sys files from your existing ATI directories. So what have you done by running regcleaner? Effectively nothing.

Its a lot more involved than the process you described, but since you know everything about ATI products, I'm sure you already know 🙂

Chiz

Edit: and no, I wouldn't make that argument about any GF series card, since they have a UDA that works by simply installing one over the other.
 
Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Getting really fed up with you thinking that just because I own a 7500, I know jack about other ATI products. I guess if you owned a GeForce3 you wouldn't be able to say jack about a GeForce4? I think not. The process I described works for other Radeon owners, including owners of Radeon 8500 and 9000 cards. Why don't you try my process before boo-hooing it? Or, are you afraid of admitting that I have a better way of doing things?
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Well I have to question your knowledge, since your "simple" process does absolutely nothing to clear out the registry.

I guess you haven't noticed that as soon as you reboot, Windows simply reloads the existing .dll, inf and sys files from your existing ATI directories. So what have you done by running regcleaner? Effectively nothing.

Its a lot more involved than the process you described, but since you know everything about ATI products, I'm sure you already know 🙂

Chiz

Edit: and no, I wouldn't make that argument about any GF series card, since they have a UDA that works by simply installing one over the other.
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Windows reloads them despite the fact that the Display drivers have been uninstalled and the C:\ATI directory has been deleted?
 
I hear Driver Cleaner works well with both ATI and Nvidia drivers,download it from here, don`t forget to read the FAQ readme file,it explains how to use it.

🙂
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Getting really fed up with you thinking that just because I own a 7500, I know jack about other ATI products. I guess if you owned a GeForce3 you wouldn't be able to say jack about a GeForce4? I think not. The process I described works for other Radeon owners, including owners of Radeon 8500 and 9000 cards. Why don't you try my process before boo-hooing it? Or, are you afraid of admitting that I have a better way of doing things?
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Well I have to question your knowledge, since your "simple" process does absolutely nothing to clear out the registry.

I guess you haven't noticed that as soon as you reboot, Windows simply reloads the existing .dll, inf and sys files from your existing ATI directories. So what have you done by running regcleaner? Effectively nothing.

Its a lot more involved than the process you described, but since you know everything about ATI products, I'm sure you already know 🙂

Chiz

Edit: and no, I wouldn't make that argument about any GF series card, since they have a UDA that works by simply installing one over the other.
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Windows reloads them despite the fact that the Display drivers have been uninstalled and the C:\ATI directory has been deleted?
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Well, hell, we're already getting into a few more steps than "simply" running regcleaner and removing the registry entries
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And yes, they'll still load oem and .inf files even if the ati directory has been deleted.

Chiz
 
Did you read my entire post above?

Where I wrote this:

My order of operations:

Add/Remove Software: Remove ATI Display drivers
Run Reg Cleaner and clear ATI entries
Reboot
Install latest ATI Display drivers
Reboot
Install latest ATI Control Panel

 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Did you read my entire post above?

Where I wrote this:

My order of operations:

Add/Remove Software: Remove ATI Display drivers
Run Reg Cleaner and clear ATI entries
Reboot
Install latest ATI Display drivers
Reboot
Install latest ATI Control Panel
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Nice edit job 🙂 Somehow I didn't capture that in my unedited post 🙂 Your reply looked a lot "simpler" the first time it was posted.
Btw, it still doesn't do anything to remove the registry entries or prevent them from reloading upon reboot.

Chiz
 
...while talking about Radeon 9500 Pro; could someone recommend how to improve it's performance above stock setings/speeds (is it worth)? I regret a bit that I didn't buy 9700pro instead...

I have ATI retail R9500Pro, and while not slow, I could use some extra performance actually. From the discussions around here I understand that these cards are not "modable"; how about overclocking? Any remarkable performance improvements anyone? Which utility to use?

thx
dave
 
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