Radeon 58x0 refresh in Spring. New architecture in Q310

Rezist

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Make sense though, I mean the 3 series started the architecture, 4 series continued with it, and the 5 series looks to be the last?
 

Barfo

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Yeah it makes sense. I wonder if they're going to change the HD thing in the Radeon HDs.
 

lopri

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So next time around it's AMD's turn to try a completely different architecture on a brand new manufacturing process (28nm?).. It'll be interesting for sure.
 

SlowSpyder

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I think Nordic Hardware has somewhat of a reputation for scouring various tech forums and reporting what they read as news, so it's hard to say how much accuracy there is in those reports. But, seeing what AMD did with the 4890, it isn't too far of a stretch to imagine they'll tweak the design of the 5870 and release an updated version in the not too distant future.

The question is Fermi. My guess is that we'll see a paper launch / product announcement type launch sometime before the end of the year. By the time it arrives in volume, it is possible that the 5850x2 and 5870x2 will all ready be out, or very close. If we get a December paper launch and it takes another 6-8 weeks for Fermi to become available in volume, if these reports are to believed the 5890 (just guessing the name) could be right around the corner, not to mention the 5850/5870x2 parts it'll have to compete with. If that ends up being the case, I see some rough times for Nvidia over the upcoming months, unless Fermi is really a monster, but it's specs don't indicate that it'll have that kind of performance advantage.

All the above is just based off of various rumors that seem to be floating around, so all f that could be not close to the reality of what happens over the next few months just the same. Maybe Nvidia launches in November with widespread availabilit in December and teh 5890 never materializes.

There are a lot of different ways this could all play out.
 

Forumpanda

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r600 -> 2007 (hd3xxx around fall)
r700 -> 2008 (hd4xxx around summer)
r800 -> 2009 (hd5xxx around fall)

Estimating that r900 will come in H2 of 2010 is not news, that is basically an educated guess, it would be news if it didn't (which may be the case).
And obviously they are working on it and probably began quite a while ago.

Personally I think they are just writing a blurb with no content so that they can claim to be first to report it if it turns out correct.
 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: Forumpanda
r600 -> 2007 (hd3xxx around fall)
r700 -> 2008 (hd4xxx around summer)
r800 -> 2009 (hd5xxx around fall)

Estimating that r900 will come in H2 of 2010 is not news, that is basically an educated guess, it would be news if it didn't (which may be the case).
And obviously they are working on it and probably began quite a while ago.

Personally I think they are just writing a blurb with no content so that they can claim to be first to report it if it turns out correct.

Actually there is a rumor floating around that AMD has plenty of die space left on the current GPU. Like AMD can simply just fill the die, I will have to find the numbers floating around though.
 

Kuzi

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Cypress being a 40nm part, seems to have room for higher clocks, and ATI might tweak the chip, similar to what they did with the HD4890 (RV790). A tweaked HD5890 running @1.1GHz GPU, with 2GB GDDR5 @1.5GHz, released say in Q2 2010 should be powerful enough, until ATI releases their next-gen stuff.

But for next generation cards on a new 28nm process, I wouldn't expect those before Q4 2010 at the earliest.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: Kuzi
But for next generation cards on a new 28nm process, I wouldn't expect those before Q4 2010 at the earliest.

I would expect to see a low or middle range card released on the 28nm process before they launch a full blown next gen design on it. ATI and Nvidia have done this in the past. Most recently, ATI's 4770 was launched on 40nm before the 5xx0 series.
 

KingstonU

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Now that we have details on both, HD5000 and GT300 have both come out to be essentially 2X HD4000 and GT200 respectfully, but on 40nm. I find the latest generation to be comparable to CPU's Penryn/Deneb, primarily just a die shrink of the exact same architecture with a few optimizations here and there.

So then would it make sense to release a brand new architecture on the current 40nm next year, and then release a 28nm shrink of that same architecture again ~1year after, similarly to Intel's Tick-Tock strategy?
 

sandorski

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Via will be making a big announcement/release next June. Upgrading Video or CPU at this time is a complete waste!

You heard it here folks.
 

aequasi

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lol and then 6 months later' they'' release another new big thing, so u might as well never upgrade, according to sandorski
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Via will be making a big announcement/release next June. Upgrading Video or CPU at this time is a complete waste!

You heard it here folks.

~8 months from now, and no details? Yea, I'll still go ahead and upgrade I think...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: aequasi
lol and then 6 months later' they'' release another new big thing, so u might as well never upgrade, according to sandorski

Intel, AMD, Nvidia will cease to exist. Mark my words!
 

Forumpanda

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: aequasi
lol and then 6 months later' they'' release another new big thing, so u might as well never upgrade, according to sandorski

Intel, AMD, Nvidia will cease to exist. Mark my words!
You via fanboy you! .. I bet they paid you to post that!
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Forumpanda
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: aequasi
lol and then 6 months later' they'' release another new big thing, so u might as well never upgrade, according to sandorski

Intel, AMD, Nvidia will cease to exist. Mark my words!
You via fanboy you! .. I bet they paid you to post that!

:laugh:
 

LCD123

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Guess we can say hello to radeon hd5890 with 1GHz core clocks and 5GHz(effective) memory clocks!
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: LCD123
Guess we can say hello to radeon hd5890 with 1GHz core clocks and 5GHz(effective) memory clocks!

You never know, maybe they went conservitive with the 5870, still plenty fast over previous gen parts. More than likely I imagine they're just counting on 40nm to mature so they can get some higher clocked parts more routinely, that's what we'll see when/if they refresh.
 

netxzero64

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well if they are going to go for the 28nm process i think its to put more pressure to the green team (Nvidia)...