Radeon 4890 is as fast as GTS 250

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Face2Face

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Hey Guys,

I recently acquired a XFX 4890 Extreme. I plan on doing some benchmarking with some older cards that's why I purchased one. I have run 3Dmark 06 and Vantage, along with BF3, Skyrim, COD MW2 and GTA 4. I am comparing this card to a GTX 260 Core 216 and a GTS 250. The GTX 260 is beating the 4890 in all of the benchmarks but Skyrim. The 4890's FPS equals the GTS 250 and the 3Dmark scores are the same as well. I did notice in GPU-Z it shows it running @ PCI-E 16X 1.1 not 2.0. Im running 12.4 drivers You guys have any ideas?
 
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GotNoRice

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What are the vantage GPU scores?

Keep in mind that the nvidia cards will use Cuda for PhysX and make the CPU score and overall score irrelevant.
 
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GotNoRice said:
What are the vantage GPU scores?

Keep in mind that the nvidia cards will use Cuda for PhysX and make the CPU score and overall score irrelevant.
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I would have to re-run the test to see. Overall I have been disappointed in the 4890 so far. This thing is the loudest video card I have ever owned -sounds like a hair dryer. I was thinking in BF3 it would beat a GTS 250, it runs the sames frame-rate. I will say it is running skyrim like butter but only 3 FPS more than the GTX 260 core 216.
 
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The 4890 is indeed faster than the GTS250 by a noticeable amount. You should get about 3k higher GPU score in Vantage on the 4890, which is why I asked you what your numbers were.

Here are some recent benchmark numbers which reflect accurately how the 3 cards you are discussing match up using current drivers:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/17

If your results differ from that significantly, I'd be more inclined to believe that there is an issue on your end rather than the hardware being deficient in some way.

Feel free to post your benchmark results, I'd love to see them.
 
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At the time of release, 4850 = 250
4870 = 260

4890 = 275

However with future games it may be diff, dunno

But for old games 4890 was like 40-50% faster than 250
 
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Face2Face

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aaksheytalwar said:
At the time of release, 4850 = 250
4870 = 260

4890 = 275

However with future games it may be diff, dunno

But for old games 4890 was like 40-50% faster than 250
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This is what I have always known as well. Again, I did notice this card is not running PCI-E 16X 2.0. I have had older cards not register correct PCI-E speeds and they eventually failed. I wonder if this is a sign of failing card as well? The fan on this card is unbelievable loud..
 
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DigDog

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so if a 250 = 4850, then
260 = 5850
270 = 6850
280gtx (the one i bought for fifty bucks) = 7850

yay! i have a top of the line card!
 
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Wonder how a gtx275 would fair in such titles as BF3?

Got a 4 1/2 year old 8800gts g92 that seems to do 1600x1600 medium fine with post aa at low,but seriously want something with more kick to hold me over till the gtx670 is out and matured driver wise.

I would think a gtx275 would be able to play 1680x1050 medium or possibly 1920x1080 low without any aa as my 8800gts 512mb was borderline playable at that setting but dipped to much into the upper 30's on big maps and on maps like metro lagged much at the 40s at times.

Anyone who has a gtx275 who might be able to give us some numbers?I am not to excited about any gtx550ti /6770/7750 as i am sure a gtx275 could come close if not outperform those options while costing $80 used....4 1/2 years from the 8800gts was a good run...:)Time to retire it.
 
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Greenhell6 said:
This is what I have always know as well. Again, I did notice this card is not running PCI-E 16X 2.0. I have had older cards not register correct PCI-E speeds and they eventually failed. I wonder if this is a sign of failing card as well? The fan on this card is unbelievable loud..
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Not necessarily a failing card. What are you using to measure the PCI-E speed?

Most modern video cards will auto negotiate to a lower spec PCI-E interface (1.1 /1.0) when running in 2D / desktop before throttling up for 3D usage.

When I use GPU-Z at my desktop I see the speed drop but immediately after a game or 3D application (Google Earth) I see that it is running at PCI-E 2.0 interface speeds.
 
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aaksheytalwar

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Gtx 280 is slightly slower than 5850 so about as fast as 6850 in modern games. An Oced 7850 is twice as fast.
 
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Face2Face

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skipsneeky2 said:
Wonder how a gtx275 would fair in such titles as BF3?

Got a 4 1/2 year old 8800gts g92 that seems to do 1600x1600 medium fine with post aa at low,but seriously want something with more kick to hold me over till the gtx670 is out and matured driver wise.

I would think a gtx275 would be able to play 1680x1050 medium or possibly 1920x1080 low without any aa as my 8800gts 512mb was borderline playable at that setting but dipped to much into the upper 30's on big maps and on maps like metro lagged much at the 40s at times.

Anyone who has a gtx275 who might be able to give us some numbers?I am not to excited about any gtx550ti /6770/7750 as i am sure a gtx275 could come close if not outperform those options while costing $80 used....4 1/2 years from the 8800gts was a good run...:)Time to retire it.
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I can tell you using a a GTX 260 core 216 playing BF3 on high presets @ 1080P was very playable (SP only) And being since the GTX 275 is 5-15 % faster should be a decent card for BF3. I am going to post some benchmarks in the future. I just got my 8800 GTX working last night after I cooked it. I love the oven trick :) Got it to work and played skyrim last night for 2 hours with it.
 
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Face2Face

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nenforcer said:
Not necessarily a failing card. What are you using to measure the PCI-E speed?

Most modern video cards will auto negotiate to a lower spec PCI-E interface (1.1 /1.0) when running in 2D / desktop before throttling up for 3D usage.

When I use GPU-Z at my desktop I see the speed drop but immediately after a game or 3D application (Google Earth) I see that it is running at PCI-E 2.0 interface speeds.
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I am using GPU-Z to check the PCI-E interface speed. There is a question mark next to the interface speed and if you press the test button the PCI-E interface should go from 1.1 to 2.0, but it never does? I am gonna play around with it more this week. Try to reload the drivers and what not. I gotta get a new 8 PIN PSU adapter so I can benchmark my 9800GX2.
 
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Have you tried reseating the card? My 4870 was once running really slowly, and I found that it was running in PCIe x1 mode. I reseated the card, and it switched to x16 mode. I'm not sure if it would work for you, but it's worth a shot.
 
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Face2Face

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kalrith said:
Have you tried reseating the card? My 4870 was once running really slowly, and I found that it was running in PCIe x1 mode. I reseated the card, and it switched to x16 mode. I'm not sure if it would work for you, but it's worth a shot.
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Thanks, I will give it a try. I do remember it was very awkward putting that card in and the PCI retention brackets were hard to screw down. I am going to wait until my RMA comes back for my HD 6870 - should be here in 4-5 days. I hate to keep sweeping all of the drivers and then reinstalling them. Plus I am kinda digging my resurrected 8800 GTX for the time being, pretty cool and quiet for a old 90nm monster.
 
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