Racist Unhinged Michigan Man Threatens To Kill CNN Staff

[Amused]

So Breitbart is actually blaming cnn for this guy threatening to shoot up their offices. Next they will blame the pizza place for a dude shooting a hole in their floor looking for the child sex ring in the basement.

Of course. And it's their wives faults for the beating. It's the slutty teens fault for Roy Moore diddling them. It's blacks fault for police harassment and murder.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I read that Breitbart article yesterday and was flabbergasted. Is that presented as news or just opinion? I don't read Breitbart often enough to know (thank goodness.)

"CNN’s Ana Navarro, one of the last-place network’s far-left commentators, predictably blamed President Trump for the threat against her employer. As of now, though, and while nothing excuses or justifies any kind of death threats, there is no proof that anything other CNN’s own fake news crisis might have provoked a man the New York Post describes as a “maniac” and “increasingly deranged.”"

and it goes on from there, getting more frothing at the mouth as it goes.

Breitbart thrives on ambiguity, conjecture, and outright falsehoods.

 

[interchange]

What is going on here?? This guy is clearly a terrorist yet all I see is sympathy for him. Would the reaction be different if a Muslim of color threatened to bomb Fox News HQ??

Trump and GOP would be all over Twitter decrying terrorism. Closing the borders and declaring a war on Islam.

He was clearly radicalized by right wing rhetoric. Yet let a Muslim of color be radicalized in jail and all hell breaks loose.

1. You are imputing sympathy. Attempts at understanding the conditions which may have contributed to his clearly criminal and dangerous choices are of very high potential value

2. I do not believe that sympathy toward any suffering on his part, even if offered, would in any way negate the understanding that his choices are inappropriate, dangerous, and criminal. However, such a thing should be offered with caution

3. This is quite different than radical Islamic terrorism. This man's terrorist ideology is aligning with mainstream political figures/organizations and media outlets. Those parties carry an ethical burden, at minimum, to delineate their ideology from the man's terrorism. That burden has been thus far mocked

 

[HomerJS]

1. You are imputing sympathy. Attempts at understanding the conditions which may have contributed to his clearly criminal and dangerous choices are of very high potential value

2. I do not believe that sympathy toward any suffering on his part, even if offered, would in any way negate the understanding that his choices are inappropriate, dangerous, and criminal. However, such a thing should be offered with caution

3. This is quite different than radical Islamic terrorism. This man's terrorist ideology is aligning with mainstream political figures/organizations and media outlets. Those parties carry an ethical burden, at minimum, to delineate their ideology from the man's terrorism. That burden has been thus far mocked

I really don't see the distinction between this guy and radical Islam. I don't the distinction between Dylan Roof and radical Islam. I don't see the distinction between the white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and radical Islam.

 

[Jaskalas]

Some lone nutjob has publicly expressed his desire to hurt people. What should we do with people like that? A short or medium stint in prison is likely going to harden him towards his rage and violence. I expect he'd be more dangerous after prison. Is our only option to lock him away and throw away the key? I don't think the law gives us that option.

Perhaps we can examine his programing and attempt to do something about it... for him and for others.

 

[Jaskalas]

I really don't see the distinction between this guy and radical Islam.

The difference is we can attack this guy's ideas. Do you think we should? You wouldn't like that answer for "radical Islam".

 

[ch33zw1z]

Some lone nutjob has publicly expressed his desire to hurt people. What should we do with people like that? A short or medium stint in prison is likely going to harden him towards his rage and violence. I expect he'd be more dangerous after prison. Is our only option to lock him away and throw away the key? I don't think the law gives us that option.

Perhaps we can examine his programing and attempt to do something about it... for him and for others.

So you wanna shutdown Fox news, Breitbart, Infowars, and disable the president's Twitter account. Good luck

His threats should be treated like any other terrorist threats are.

 

[Thebobo]

So you wanna shutdown Fox news, Breitbart, Infowars, and disable the president's Twitter account. Good luck.

I do.... 😛

 

[zinfamous]

Some lone nutjob has publicly expressed his desire to hurt people. What should we do with people like that? A short or medium stint in prison is likely going to harden him towards his rage and violence. I expect he'd be more dangerous after prison. Is our only option to lock him away and throw away the key? I don't think the law gives us that option.

Perhaps we can examine his programing and attempt to do something about it... for him and for others.

Easily

Done

You're welcome

 

[pmv]

I really don't see the distinction between this guy and radical Islam. I don't the distinction between Dylan Roof and radical Islam. I don't see the distinction between the white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and radical Islam.

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but as I read it, interchange's point is that the difference is there are no powerful mainstream voices pushing radical Islam in the US, whereas this guy's extremism is unnervingly compatible with views promoted by some powerful mainstream groups. Do you not think that is a difference?

The difference is we can attack this guy's ideas. Do you think we should? You wouldn't like that answer for "radical Islam".

To me, this guy and radical Islamists (certainly those raised in the West - not so sure about those who are products of a nation of torturers) on first glance have a lot in common. Young males from conservative backgrounds who have trouble coping with a world that doesn't accord them the automatic privilege they have somehow come to expect, whose unbringing has let them down when it comes to dealing with the complexity of reality, probably feeling humiliated at some level...who then find an ideology that makes them feel important and provides an outlet for their frustrated entitlement and rage.

I do think there are some second-order differences (for example, the role of racism in increasing that feeling of humiliation for some of those Islamists) but I think I'm OK with treating them both in similar ways.

 

[interchange]

I really don't see the distinction between this guy and radical Islam. I don't the distinction between Dylan Roof and radical Islam. I don't see the distinction between the white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and radical Islam.

Differences how? If you are referring to the psychological makeup of a person who becomes a terrorist, I am not conflicted with your statement, although I would still like to learn everything we can in the hopes it informs us of how to prevent future incidents.

However, in a practical sense unrelated to his particular psychology, there is a very big difference. He is actively aligning himself with the undistorted message of a political party and major news outlets, and these entities have clear organizational structure. They need to break their affiliation with this terrorist.

Some lone nutjob has publicly expressed his desire to hurt people. What should we do with people like that? A short or medium stint in prison is likely going to harden him towards his rage and violence. I expect he'd be more dangerous after prison. Is our only option to lock him away and throw away the key? I don't think the law gives us that option.

Perhaps we can examine his programing and attempt to do something about it... for him and for others.

Dangerous criminal actions need to be punished. A just punishment would not reinforce his position. However, I am skeptical that the prison system in the US is capable of delivering just punishments regardless of sentence. But I am not willing to sacrifice our intent to deliver just punishments because of that. We need to, separately, overhaul our treatment of criminals. Certainly one function of incarceration is to separate a person who presents overt danger to society from their capacity to enact that danger. There are people which I believe are better off incarcerated forever. We don't have sufficient information to render such an opinion here.

 

[interchange]

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but as I read it, interchange's point is that the difference is there are no powerful mainstream voices pushing radical Islam in the US, whereas this guy's extremism is unnervingly compatible with views promoted by some powerful mainstream groups. Do you not think that is a difference?

Precisely.

 

[HomerJS]

The difference is we can attack this guy's ideas. Do you think we should? You wouldn't like that answer for "radical Islam".

I have no problem attacking the ideas of any person/group willing to commit murder for a political end.

That includes white supremacists and radical Islamicists

Problem we have with white supremacists in this country mainstream leadership is providing them cover.

 

[HomerJS]

Some lone nutjob has publicly expressed his desire to hurt people. What should we do with people like that? A short or medium stint in prison is likely going to harden him towards his rage and violence. I expect he'd be more dangerous after prison. Is our only option to lock him away and throw away the key? I don't think the law gives us that option.

Perhaps we can examine his programing and attempt to do something about it... for him and for others.

Hmm I seem to recall more then just one lone nutjob in Charlottesville that resulted in the death of an innocent woman.