racist guy fscks with illegal immigrants

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: Nik

I think we need to have snipers along the borders. You want in? Do it right. Simple as that.

I'm glad your ancestors had the privilege of coming on a boat, and giving birth to your parents, who gave birth to you. Congratulations you are now a United States Citizen who sucks up my Tax dollars wasting it on your public education. Did your school even teach anything about US history? Seriously?

That would be great... but I don't run people off the road in lifted trucks with SON MEX plates, litter beer cans everywhere, force my language in other countries other than my own, leech on welfare, break into peoples houses a steal, spawn 10 illegitimate children to get more tax money while living in a trailer on my parents drive way, etc. on my route to getting what I want.

Except for the bolded portion, a large portion of americans do all of those activities. Litter, Check. Leech on Welfare, Check. Break into peoples homes, Check. Have babies to get welfare, Check. Run people off the road, because obviously you are more important and have some greater need for the road than every other commuter, Check.

The bolded text goes to show how ignorant your arguement sounds, other countries actually make thier citizens learn Their primary languages and English. Unlike our school systems make a vain attempt to teach Spanish, French, or any other common languages. In other countries they realize the importance of cross country communication and actually take it seriously. Again nobody is forcing a language on you, you are in an area where it is more commonly spoken by the locals. Do you see people heading into prodominately Asian areas and complaining, OMG speak English or go home? No, because sane people realize that certain regions are densly populated with a given ethnicity.

Aside from all that, I'm all for accountability for all people. Immigrants, citizens, ALL people. Regardless of the background nobody is above the law, and for which there are two core pricipals I feel people in the US can live by. Pay taxes and obey the Laws. If someone *ANYONE* cannot accomplish those things, I feel that they should look for a home elsewhere.

Accountability, of course. Intolerance, you can look somewhere else for acceptance of this.

Yes I see Mexicans coming over here demanding that we cater to their spanish language and the world crying discrimination if we dont. If I recall the language of the USA is english, why then do I have to practically learn spanish or have a translator to place an order at Burger King anymore? Note that I'm in my own country. If I went to Mexico I would expect this to happen, but not in my own country.

What happens when forigners get into power and change the laws to suite their own culture? At least twice that I'm aware of recently, an "english only as the official language" bill got voted on by the population in Arizona, only to be shot down by hispanic politicians in office, because they don't want to 'alienate their people'. The Tucson city council (alot of hispanics) are fighting proposition 200 saying its discrimination and racist. Yet the bill states nothing about race... Prop 200 was voted 60/40 or so; requires all govt services other than life saving medical care to require proof of citizenship. What fvcking right do they have to fight it because someone in another country is upset? Basically it says, unless your life is in danger and emergency medical care is required, if you want public services such as food stamps you have to be a citizen. Why is it the mexican polititians don't support that? I would love an answer.

But yes universal accountability is needed desperately. Go to Mexico without insurance and whitey gets thrown in jail for 20 years. But how many mexicans come here without insurance and cause accidents and run away and if anybody in this country even thinks about enforcing anything coming into this country it's "oh those poor people they cant afford it" or "racism" or Vicinte Fox makes a big fuss about it. Only one of many examples, but the most real for me. We need universal accountability because they can come over here and do whatever they want knowing the worse they will get is deported so they can come back the next day. How many Americans are in Mexican prisons? But if we throw them in prison here or execute a mexican citizen for murder, there is political outcry both here amongts the socialist liberals and all across the world. What the FVCK is with this one way BULLSH1T ?

And actually, I'm the kind of person who after seeing a merge sign, gets over into the appropriate lane and waits in line. Anybody who was in front of me (regardless of lane) prior to merge stays in front of me (I slow down and let them in). Anyone behind me who guns it and thinks they are going to force their way ahead knowing full and well everyone is getting over for a merge, I give them a taste of 700 HP.

It's usually either stuck up white people in Lexuses or BMWs that take that a merge sign as a signal that everyone is getting out of the way just for little ole them to speed ahead and force their way up front. Or big lifted trucks with brown tatooed arms hanging out the window waiting until the last minute and casually drifting over nonchalantly running you off the road without paying attention when their lane runs out .

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: exdeath


Yes I see Mexicans coming over here demanding that we cater to their spanish language and the world crying discrimination if we dont. If I recall the language of the USA is english

I would argue that the Native American languages are the real language(s), but after what was done to them, English eventually became the Native language of the USA.

why then do I have to practically learn spanish or have a translator to place an order at Burger King anymore? Note that I'm in my own country. If I went to Mexico I would expect this to happen, but not in my own country.

This is obviously an exaggeration. I lived in Southern California, for 18 years and NEVER had this happen. In CA the Hispanic Community is the majority, and I have NEVER had a translator take any type of request for me.

What happens when forigners get into power and change the laws to suite their own culture? At least twice that I'm aware of recently, an "english only as the official language" bill got voted on by the population in Arizona, only to be shot down by hispanic politicians in office.

I really don't think you need to make English the official language, because it already accepted as the primary language of the US. Along with the fact that the only people that can change LAW are publicly ELECTED officials. All of whom respond well to... Money.

But yes universal accountability is needed desperately.

Agreed.

Go to Mexico without insurance and whitey gets thrown in jail for 20 years. But how many mexicans come here without insurance and cause accidents and run away and if anybody in this country even thinks about enforcing anything coming into this country it's "oh those poor people they cant afford it" or "racism" or Vicinte Fox makes a big fuss about it. Only one of many examples, but the most real for me. We need universal accountability because they can come over here and do whatever they want knowing the worse they will get is deported so they can come back the next day. How many Americans are in Mexican prisons? But if we throw them in prison here or execute a mexican citizen for murder, there is political outcry both here amongts the socialist liberals and all across the world. What the FVCK is with this one way BULLSH1T ?

I believe that's because our Government isn't corrupt on the same level of the Mexican government. Were as we generally respect human rights, and our Political Officials are held to a higher level of accountability than most other governments.

And actually, I'm the kind of person who after seeing a merge sign, gets over into the appropriate lane and waits in line. Anybody who was in front of me (regardless of lane) prior to merge stays in front of me (I slow down and let them in). Anyone behind me who guns it and thinks they are going to force their way ahead, I give them a taste of 700 HP.

It's usually either stuck up white people in Lexuses that take that a merge sign as a signal to speed ahead and force their way up front or big lifted trucks with brown tatooed arms hanging out the window waiting to the last minute and casually drifting over nonchalantly running you off the road when their lane runs out without paying attention.

I'm telling you, while I was in the D.C. area I really noticed that people in Lexuses are always cutting me off. I'm in some random rental car for meetings or classes, and even going over the speed limit I still get cut off a lot. I would say 8 out 10 of those cars will be a Lexus for some damn reason.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: TGS
I'm glad your ancestors had the privilege of coming on a boat, and giving birth to your parents, who gave birth to you. Congratulations you are now a United States Citizen who sucks up my Tax dollars wasting it on your public education. Did your school even teach anything about US history? Seriously?

Actually, my family came through NY, registering along with everyone else. Properly. I spent one year in the public educational system, which was a joke.

Originally posted by: Nik
A few hard workers don't change the stereotype.

Per Dictionary.com

"ster·e·o·type ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str--tp, stîr-)
n.
A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

Yes again, Stereotyping people > Logic

I'm half White and half Hispanic, my parents Immigrated here over 4 generations ago, I've never questioned if it was Legal or not. I was born here and I'm a full citizen. I pay a boat load of taxes, and hardly use public services, other than roads, unless you count local parks as a public service I pay with state taxes.

If people want to make a life here, so be it. If they break the laws doing it, deport them back immediately. Though I've already stated that...

I totally agree. Part of not "break the laws doing it" requires getting in legally. :thumbsup:

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On top of which Nik, you toss out 30% like it's pure gold, and ask for verification on alternate statistics, seriously man whats that about?

Read the thread. The only reason I asked Hammer for statistics is that he had more than just a percentage. He stated the number of inmates nationally and the number of those that were illegal. I simply asked him for a link. Jesus christ, like not providing a link first somehow nullifies any justification in asking for a link for his information? :roll:

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: exdeath


Yes I see Mexicans coming over here demanding that we cater to their spanish language and the world crying discrimination if we dont. If I recall the language of the USA is english

I would argue that the Native American languages are the real language(s), but after what was done to them, English eventually became the Native language of the USA.

why then do I have to practically learn spanish or have a translator to place an order at Burger King anymore? Note that I'm in my own country. If I went to Mexico I would expect this to happen, but not in my own country.

This is obviously an exaggeration. I lived in Southern California, for 18 years and NEVER had this happen. In CA the Hispanic Community is the majority, and I have NEVER had a translator take any type of request for me.

What happens when forigners get into power and change the laws to suite their own culture? At least twice that I'm aware of recently, an "english only as the official language" bill got voted on by the population in Arizona, only to be shot down by hispanic politicians in office.

I really don't think you need to make English the official language, because it already accepted as the primary language of the US. Along with the fact that the only people that can change LAW are publicly ELECTED officials. All of whom respond well to... Money.

But yes universal accountability is needed desperately.

Agreed.

Go to Mexico without insurance and whitey gets thrown in jail for 20 years. But how many mexicans come here without insurance and cause accidents and run away and if anybody in this country even thinks about enforcing anything coming into this country it's "oh those poor people they cant afford it" or "racism" or Vicinte Fox makes a big fuss about it. Only one of many examples, but the most real for me. We need universal accountability because they can come over here and do whatever they want knowing the worse they will get is deported so they can come back the next day. How many Americans are in Mexican prisons? But if we throw them in prison here or execute a mexican citizen for murder, there is political outcry both here amongts the socialist liberals and all across the world. What the FVCK is with this one way BULLSH1T ?

I believe that's because our Government isn't corrupt on the same level of the Mexican government. Were as we generally respect human rights, and our Political Officials are held to a higher level of accountability than most other governments.

And actually, I'm the kind of person who after seeing a merge sign, gets over into the appropriate lane and waits in line. Anybody who was in front of me (regardless of lane) prior to merge stays in front of me (I slow down and let them in). Anyone behind me who guns it and thinks they are going to force their way ahead, I give them a taste of 700 HP.

It's usually either stuck up white people in Lexuses that take that a merge sign as a signal to speed ahead and force their way up front or big lifted trucks with brown tatooed arms hanging out the window waiting to the last minute and casually drifting over nonchalantly running you off the road when their lane runs out without paying attention.

I'm telling you, while I was in the D.C. area I really noticed that people in Lexuses are always cutting me off. I'm in some random rental car for meetings or classes, and even going over the speed limit I still get cut off a lot. I would say 8 out 10 of those cars will be a Lexus for some damn reason.

Insurance is only one example. The main point is if we do anything the world (and the liberal enemies within) cries "no no bad USA", but Mexico could get away with murder and those same people turn a blind eye.

I'm tired of these double standards. Why can't we (USA and Mexico) just agree that both respective parties must abide by the laws of the country they are in and take responsibility for their own actions? When you go to another country you follow their laws and answer to their criminal justice system. That works for Americans going to other countries and breaking laws (the cane whipping incident was absolutely hilarious), but if someone comes here, we just send them home (lest world protest ensue) where they are often treated like heroes for defying the big bad USA.

Another example was a woman friend of ours who almost had her baby kidnapped by two mexicans. Lucky for here there were two cops in the store where this happened. One of the cops was also mexican so he questioned them in spanish and they claimed they thought the blue eyed blond hair white baby belonged to them!. The police told her later that she couldn't prosecute and there was nothing they could do because they were being deported without charges. She nows carries a .357 where ever she goes. Good for her.

Tell me wtf happened there? Back to the acountability theme, what incentive do they have to not keep coming over here comitting crimes if there is no punishment?


Actually it was just yesterday I was at Burger King and the teenage hispanic girl at the register couldn't understand what I wanted. She got a manager (also hispanic) who spoke english, and after explaining to her in spanish, she finally understood. So it's not really an exaggeration.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

exdeath, I agree, but with laws being broken by illegals on such a massive scale, arresting them all and keeping them all here in prison isn't going to do any good unless we're also going to make them citizens properly and allow them the same opportunities to get jobs legally and actually pay back into society instead of letting them sit in prison leeching off of tax payers or getting deported just so they can turn right back around and come back in.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: Nik


Actually, my family came through NY, registering along with everyone else. Properly. I spent one year in the public educational system, which was a joke.

See, but times are MUCH different. Your parents were fortunate to come at a time where immigration was a get off the boat process, and sign a name. Bam citizen.

Yet you seem to have a problem when people come over and want to work, want to make a life for their families here.

You get in the door and promptly slam it shut because they didn't sign in at the gate. Should we send them away, when they don't speak English? I believe the problem is that honest hardworking people want to start a life int he US now, just like pratically all off our ancestors. Though the inefficiencies of the US immigration process are clearly outdated. The are now post 9-11 barely taking steps to make sure the dangerous people are screened out.

It's very frustrating to see how people have the easy way into our nation, and then turn around and scoff at the people that follow them.

Sure I didn't have to go through any process to gain citizenship, but in that fact I consider myself VERY lucky. I know that the process to become a citizen is not an easy nor fast process.

Though I think that the fact we have an immigration system is great. We just need to make it work for the people who want to come to our country and become productive citizens.

Accountability of the people that are coming over, and accountability of the Government for the craptacular system they are running.

Seriously you laugh at the people running from the immigration offices. You need to put that into perspective. You pay Taxes for the Immigration System, for Department of Homeland Security, and for the Border Patrol. Yet when you laugh at the illegals, you can laugh at your Tax money being pissed away, because the systems we fund ARE NOT WORKING.

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Originally posted by: Nik
exdeath, I agree, but with laws being broken by illegals on such a massive scale, arresting them all and keeping them all here in prison isn't going to do any good unless we're also going to make them citizens properly and allow them the same opportunities to get jobs legally and actually pay back into society instead of letting them sit in prison leeching off of tax payers or getting deported just so they can turn right back around and come back in.

Damn skippy, because our systems are laughable broken.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Nik
exdeath, I agree, but with laws being broken by illegals on such a massive scale, arresting them all and keeping them all here in prison isn't going to do any good unless we're also going to make them citizens properly and allow them the same opportunities to get jobs legally and actually pay back into society instead of letting them sit in prison leeching off of tax payers or getting deported just so they can turn right back around and come back in.

The kind of people I'm talking about don't WANT to be citizens. Not being citizens is like immunity to some of them while in the US. They know they can only be deported no matter what they do. With that in mind, why work when you can get welfare, or sell drugs or ripped of car stereos and rims; much easier than working when you have nothing to loose.

As far as them paying back to society, that is a completely different topic regarding the fvcked up jail system in general (one that has a federal law requiring tax payer funded cable TV be in every cell.)

Wait a minute, there is cheap labor, in fact it's FREE. Use the jails. It is constitutional, because they would be paid fair compensation for their labor via food and room and board, and the constitution makes exceptions for unpaid labor (slavery) in the case of punishment for crimes.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: exdeath

The kind of people I'm talking about don't WANT to be citizens. Not being citizens is like immunity to some of them while in the US. They know they can only be deported no matter what they do. With that in mind, why work when you can get welfare, or sell drugs or ripped of car stereos and rims; much easier than working when you have nothing to loose.

I agree that there will always be people, citizens or illegals that are complete waste of grey matter and go out of their way to exploit systems designed to help the real unfortunate. Along with those with a blatant disregard for the law. Tossing out a blanket statement on how all illegals are part of this force, or some magic percentage is in our prison system is an obvious stereotype and will make any type of discussion null and void instantly.

Though again, I place a lot of this blame on our governements inability to deal with this situation by updating the processes for immigration and deportation control. Though the Government does do a good deal will hostiles. If you keep up with the news a lot of Central\South American gangs were created from criminals we have deported. So even when we deport people we have to depend on foreign goverments to take appropriate actions to deal with the people we send back.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: exdeath

The kind of people I'm talking about don't WANT to be citizens. Not being citizens is like immunity to some of them while in the US. They know they can only be deported no matter what they do. With that in mind, why work when you can get welfare, or sell drugs or ripped of car stereos and rims; much easier than working when you have nothing to loose.

I agree that there will always be people, citizens or illegals that are complete waste of grey matter and go out of their way to exploit systems designed to help the real unfortunate. Along with those with a blatant disregard for the law. Tossing out a blanket statement on how all illegals are part of this force, or some magic percentage is in our prison system is an obvious stereotype and will make any type of discussion null and void instantly.

Though again, I place a lot of this blame on our governements inability to deal with this situation by updating the processes for immigration and deportation control. Though the Government does do a good deal will hostiles. If you keep up with the news a lot of Central\South American gangs were created from criminals we have deported. So even when we deport people we have to depend on foreign goverments to take appropriate actions to deal with the people we send back.

Where illegals tie into this is more of a problem in my location I admit.


A big problem with our government is that it is no longer representative of the people's wishes; when people vote to pass a measure which is then overturned and ignored by government officials with something to loose (ie: Prop 200 in Arizona, official language English, etc). And judges who rule their feelings rather than the laws. For these, pay thanks to the left wing liberals who do everything they can to undermine this country under the false guise of diversity.

I feel it's going to get to the point where democracy no longer works as intended. It wasn't much different 229 years ago.

 

i still think the video is funny

 

[redgtxdi]

Yes, the video is funny but obviously at the expense of real human emotions. No, I wouldn't do it. I would carry too much remorse because I know more about the situation than most folks. It's not excusable, but ........(more importantly)........neither is illegal immigration.

It *is* a sad state of affairs, however, too much emotion is involved in some of the coercing the political decision making processes. Ironically, the emotions imparted, politically, to the current situation of illegal immigration is given one-sidedly and allows only for LEGAL U.S. citizens feeling sorry for ILLEGAL aliens. This is a HUGE problem. Because while there may be reason to feel sorry for their country's situation, our own problems here in the U.S. are becoming overshadowed by this artificial remorse.

The bottom line is that for, perhaps, all the cheap labor we can say we benefit from regarding illegal immigrants, there is damage being done to our country even BEYOND what threatens us in a terrorist environment and while the numbers speak for themselves, evidently quite a few people still choose to ignore it.............

What we're up against!!!!!!!

Folks trying hard to fix it!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ricemarine]

We should just shoot the immigrants that try to cross the border (sarcasm) Just get your little sniper rifle and SAW ready, its like a new version of Resident Evil! Until the Mexicans bring out the guns.

 

[l Xes l]

funny and not funny.. . those people are trying to hard to survive... tsk tsk tsk..

 

[xyyz]

the fact anyone would find this funny a pretty sad statement about themselves.

regardless of where you stand on immigration, when did having compasion become a bad thing, and having a total lack of taste and class become something to be proud about? :/

 

[watek]

is this real??

 

[TGS]

I can agree with most of what the "F.A.I.R" organization is trying to promote awareness about. They make similiar comments to what I have stated, corrupted governments driving people out of their home countries, and a huge problem with under the table paid workers. Which of course is not taxed so the Government, whether state or federal has to pick up the cost of the non-tax paying residents. Over and beyond the regular tax cheats that are in the US.

It's a lot bigger problem then, oh we need to deport those nasty "beaners". There are all kinds of much larger issues that need to be addressed. One great idea would be actually cracking down on the untaxed work force *employeers*. Yes, those guys paying pennies on the dollar of the real *even at minimum wage* worker. Strictly to line their own pockets, which puts a huge tax burden for the services the non-tax paying residents use.

Then you have to put in place streamlined systems to process the people that want to work, and get them funneled into employeers that will not try to cheat them out of decent wages.

You still have to hold foriegn governments liable for what they are doing to their citizens, in terms of human rights, wages, job opportunities, etc.. Though at that point it's the real world police syndrome and we can't fund every corrupt government for screwing their people.

I really fall to see how US citizens cannot fathom how lucky they are to live in a country like the US. As far as opportunity goes, it's practically unlimited. If you can't come up with some Pet Rock scheme to make money, hell you can even join the Military. Which in itself is a way to EARN full citizenship. Although I believe that requires living in a US territory first. I know a guy from Guam that went into the Air Force to gain full citizenship.

When people make it out to be some simple get them, deport them issue they are just clearly ignorant about what the real underlying issues at hand are...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TGS
I can agree with most of what the "F.A.I.R" organization is trying to promote awareness about. They make similiar comments to what I have stated, corrupted governments driving people out of their home countries, and a huge problem with under the table paid workers. Which of course is not taxed so the Government, whether state or federal has to pick up the cost of the non-tax paying residents. Over and beyond the regular tax cheats that are in the US.

It's a lot bigger problem then, oh we need to deport those nasty "beaners". There are all kinds of much larger issues that need to be addressed. One great idea would be actually cracking down on the untaxed work force *employeers*. Yes, those guys paying pennies on the dollar of the real *even at minimum wage* worker. Strictly to line their own pockets, which puts a huge tax burden for the services the non-tax paying residents use.

Then you have to put in place streamlined systems to process the people that want to work, and get them funneled into employeers that will not try to cheat them out of decent wages.

You still have to hold foriegn governments liable for what they are doing to their citizens, in terms of human rights, wages, job opportunities, etc.. Though at that point it's the real world police syndrome and we can't fund every corrupt government for screwing their people.

I really fall to see how US citizens cannot fathom how lucky they are to live in a country like the US. As far as opportunity goes, it's practically unlimited. If you can't come up with some Pet Rock scheme to make money, hell you can even join the Military. Which in itself is a way to EARN full citizenship. Although I believe that requires living in a US territory first. I know a guy from Guam that went into the Air Force to gain full citizenship.

When people make it out to be some simple get them, deport them issue they are just clearly ignorant about what the real underlying issues at hand are...

No sh1t. Mexico has tons of untapped natural resources. If they didn't have a facist government stealing everything from it's own people, they would have no need to come here looking for better living standards.

 

[VIAN]

lol

 

[Pepsi90919]

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