Racist Disney fans mocked for claiming 'science proves mermaids can't be black'

[brycejones]

Man you are extremely obsessed with this. Wake up in the morning to google and see if you can find racist stuff each day. Whatever, we all have our hobbies and interests. But you’re finding this weird crap and ascribing it to the entirety of the evil that you think is "The Right". Maybe relax and actually go talk to people that have differing opinions than yourself. And don’t go into it try to battle them and thinking yourself as superior, just simply talk. I think you’ll find they don’t all care about black mermaids or whatever else you can find. The both sides mess doesn’t really work because when you talk to a lot of them you realize there’s way more sides than two.

The ironing

 

[brycejones]

So OP will be cool then when a future MLK movie stars a white actor? Or Asian? And surely he similarly mocks the trans advocates who want non-Cis actors to play trans characters.

Glenn frequently your knee jerk gotcha posts just make you lame. This one makes you look like a complete moron.

 

[WelshBloke]

You were saying they weren't serious basically with your reply to Tweaker, but they are.

I'm not saying they aren't serious. I'm saying that they are dicks. They are seriously dicks.

 

[Perknose]

For example, a white American opening a Mexican restaurant has been criticized for "cultural appropriation"

That was stupid, rare, and expressed by a vanishingly few folks. Indeed, the whole concept that anything like that constitutes "cultural appropriation" is howlingly stupid.

But, c'mon, man, mermaids aren't even real, so the hordes of idiots claiming that these unreal creatures must have white skin is a particular form of ignorant, arrogant racism.

Besides, everyone knows that mermaids are green!

Furthermore, again, c'mon. Hamilton having an entirely "persons of color" cast IS AN ARTISTIC STATEMENT by the author, a person of color WHO IS MAKING THAT ARTISTIC STATEMENT about a famous American, Alexander Hamilton, who, until this play, most white folks blandly assumed was white!

^^^ NOT being upset with this is NOT the same as those assholes being upset about a black mermaid!!

If attendees come away SOMEHOW thinking George Washington was black and that the founding fathers conversed exclusively in rap, well . . .

Beyond that, we have glenn1 putting forth the argument about how "leftists" would feel if MLK was played by a white man. AGAIN, stupid comparison!! MLK has to be black for the whole story and struggle of the BLACK clergy -- the Southern Christian Leadership Crisis -- organizing against Jim Crow.

Whereas you can only be upset if mermaids are portrayed as black if you are an ignoramus unable to see the unexamined racism underlying your upset.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The ironing

It's boggles the mind. I'm sure that he wrote it with a straight face as well.

 

[Greenman]

Stupid thread.
Clearly all mermaids are Irish.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I mean its probably healthier than having whatever alerts you have set up for teachers having sex with underage kids.

I definitely do, and this far no one has topped Stephanie Peterson

 

[DrDoug]

Are there black mermaids? At least one report has been filed claiming that they exist...

 

[glenn1]

Ariel is a fictional character. This is a poor analogy.

Take a fictional character then, say Othello. Or Marvel’s Black Panther. I don’t particularly care of the race or ethnicity of the actor I just want the best actor, and heaven knows Disney can use a lot more color in its casting. But it’s a bit disingenuous to criticize stupid white peoples for criticizing “black Ariel” then try to reserve “black” roles for black actors. Or trans rolls for exclusively trans people.

 

[JSt0rm]

Take a fictional character then, say Othello. Or Marvel’s Black Panther. I don’t particularly care of the race or ethnicity of the actor I just want the best actor, and heaven knows Disney can use a lot more color in its casting. But it’s a bit disingenuous to criticize stupid white peoples for criticizing “black Ariel” then try to reserve “black” roles for black actors. Or trans rolls for exclusively trans people.

the alt-white cares.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’d be fine with it if she removes that mole on her forehead

 

[nickqt]

So OP will be cool then when a future MLK movie stars a white actor? Or Asian? And surely he similarly mocks the trans advocates who want non-Cis actors to play trans characters.

MLK was a real person, and not a ficitonal cartoon.

Ariel, as far as I know, wasn't originally "white", was she? I mean, the cartoon has her being white, but nothing about her identity as a MERMAID makes her white.

Replacing Othello, a Moor, with a southern Alabama white man, would be idiotic.

 

[Jhhnn]

Take a fictional character then, say Othello. Or Marvel’s Black Panther. I don’t particularly care of the race or ethnicity of the actor I just want the best actor, and heaven knows Disney can use a lot more color in its casting. But it’s a bit disingenuous to criticize stupid white peoples for criticizing “black Ariel” then try to reserve “black” roles for black actors. Or trans rolls for exclusively trans people.

Everybody & their dog has played Othello-

https://www.ranker.com/list/actors-who-have-played-othello/celebrity-lists

And while race might be a legit concern for some roles, it's a fucking mermaid. Getting goofy over the race of the actress is... goofy, to say the least. So is your whataboutism.

 

[glenn1]

Everybody & their dog has played Othello-

https://www.ranker.com/list/actors-who-have-played-othello/celebrity-lists

And while race might be a legit concern for some roles, it's a fucking mermaid. Getting goofy over the race of the actress is... goofy, to say the least. So is your whataboutism.

If you really want to get the racists riled up then cast Prince Eric as a black dude. Both because he’s “black nobility” but having “white” mermaid heroine fall in love with him would be amusing to watch them squirm.

 

[Zorba]

There's no question about racism on the right. There's a ton of it. The issue here is that the left often applies different standards depending on which direction the race shifting goes. For example, a white American opening a Mexican restaurant has been criticized for "cultural appropriation" but this criticism is never made in relation to say, Italian or French food. What they really mean is racial appropriation, meaning a white person can't borrow, copy or emulate anything from any non-white culture but everything else is fair game including borrowing from another white culture or non-whites borrowing from white culture. I can see how some people who aren't hardcore racists might scratch there heads at this.

While I agree with you, I don't understand what it has to do with the OP.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think there were some black mermaids in the Disney film, right?

 

[JSt0rm]

If you really want to get the racists riled up then cast Prince Eric as a black dude. Both because he’s “black nobility” but having “white” mermaid heroine fall in love with him would be amusing to watch them squirm.

Fuck the racists. Who cares if they get riled up? You care? Why?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Title pretty much sums it up. I will say to those who always claim #bothsides? Not really #oneside. Disney decides to hire a woman of color to play the role of Ariel and the right wing freakout begins

https://www.mirror.co.uk/film/racist-disney-fans-mocked-claiming-17477684

Freakout not found. Ariel is an iconic character, although race does not necessarily define her. There will always be a vocal minority over the race swapping of fictional characters. Sometimes it doesn’t matter, like MJ in Spiderman. Sometimes it fails, like Roland from the Dark Tower or the Karate Kid.

Could an Asian actor play Indiana Jones, or a charismatic white actor play Lando Calrissian or an Indian actor play Apollo Creed or black actor play Han Solo? These are all fictional characters, yet there is a reasonable argument both for and against altering their established race.

Liberals flock to Hamilton, which receives a lot of praise for changing the race of historic figures. Could a black actor play say Napoleon or Ulysses S. Grant or Eisenhower? Why or why not?

The Little Mermaid is far more problematic for other reasons. I’ve certainly encountered more than a few articles criticizing Sebastian’s accent or the fact that the movie depicts the human Ariel as perfect, an underage girl unable to speak (i.e. give consent).

I don’t think many people truly care about a black Ariel. I just hope they maintain her as an anorexic ginger.

 

[Pohemi]

Fuck the racists. Who cares if they get riled up? You care? Why?

Trolls enjoy making others squirm.

 

[woolfe9998]

That was stupid, rare, and expressed by a vanishingly few folks. Indeed, the whole concept that anything like that constitutes "cultural appropriation" is howlingly stupid.

But, c'mon, man, mermaids aren't even real, so the hordes of idiots claiming that these unreal creatures must have white skin is a particular form of ignorant, arrogant racism.

Besides, everyone knows that mermaids are green!

Furthermore, again, c'mon. Hamilton having an entirely "persons of color" cast IS AN ARTISTIC STATEMENT by the author, a person of color WHO IS MAKING THAT ARTISTIC STATEMENT about a famous American, Alexander Hamilton, who, until this play, most white folks blandly assumed was white!

^^^ NOT being upset with this is NOT the same as those assholes being upset about a black mermaid!!

If attendees come away SOMEHOW thinking George Washington was black and that the founding fathers conversed exclusively in rap, well . . .

Beyond that, we have glenn1 putting forth the argument about how "leftists" would feel if MLK was played by a white man. AGAIN, stupid comparison!! MLK has to be black for the whole story and struggle of the BLACK clergy -- the Southern Christian Leadership Crisis -- organizing against Jim Crow.

Whereas you can only be upset if mermaids are portrayed as black if you are an ignoramus unable to see the unexamined racism underlying your upset.

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying about the mermaids or about how nutty and racist conservatives are these days. The disconnect is that I see fault in the left's identity politics that is driving away some voters, which is why I think it's worth discussing. The racism on the right is at this point essentially a given. It has already attracted or repelled as many voters as it will ever attract or repel. We won't gain a single vote by calling Trump or his voters racists for the 10,000th time. We might, however, sheer off just enough Trump voters to win an election depending on how we behave.

Everyone should familiarize themselves with this:

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond

That is about the most scientific analysis I've seen yet of the American electorate over these past several years. It divides voters into four quadrants based on issue positions: liberal (liberal on social and economic issues), populist (socially conservative, economically liberal), conservative (socially and economically), and libertarian (socially liberal, economically conservative). The main top line takeaway is that Trump voters on average are centrists on economic issues, but quite conservative socially. So it's the social issues which are dividing us. That much I think was already clear, though I was a bit surprised at how far left the Trump voters are on economic issues.

More interesting for our purposes is the narrow class of voters, almost all of them "populist," who voted for Obama but flipped over to Trump. Clinton didn't do as well among this populist group as Obama had done. Since these voters are divided from liberals on social issues, and since "social issues" according to the survey questions mainly means identity politics, that is why they flipped. Not because of Clinton's handling of the issue, but because of Trump's handling of it, specifically, his rejection of political correctness. And while the article doesn't say this, I know from other reading that a high percentage of these voters are located in the rust belt states that Trump won, which have gone for dems in every election since the early 90's.

The facile conclusion from that is that these voters are racist. But they did, after all, vote for a black man to be POTUS, which to me means they could be a little racist, but probably not a lot racist. Bear in mind, this group is quite liberal on economic issues, many of them even far left. The charts show this graphically, that about 40% of Trump voters are moderate to far left on economics. This is especially true of those who flipped Obama->Trump. That means these voters are reachable, but not by way of emphasizing identity politics because the left's brand of identity politics goes further than just being against racism, and it doesn't sell to anyone outside the dem party or even to everyone in the dem party. .

 

[Atreus21]

Considering that more than half the kids born in the US are not white, it makes sense to cast non-white actors. Especially when they can play both sides like with the little mermaid. They can sell white Ariel to white kids and black Ariel to the kids off color.

And hopefully we're getting pretty close the point that kids won't see color in themselves or others any more.

Sorry, that's racist too.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-good-life-i-dont-see-race/

 

[woolfe9998]

Sorry, that's racist too.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-good-life-i-dont-see-race/

Yes, that's the new fad on the left. White liberal color blindness is itself either racist or at least enables racism. When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, color blindness was the ideal on the left. Not anymore.

 

[pmv]

Yes, that's the new fad on the left. White liberal color blindness is itself either racist or at least enables racism. When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, color blindness was the ideal on the left. Not anymore.

When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's it wasn't. The limitations of 'not seeing colour' have always been obvious. It's in no sense a new thing. Those articles could easily have been published in the '80s.

It is, though, certainly possible to push it too far.

 

[pmv]

Everyone should familiarize themselves with this:

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond

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Interesting data there. Though I do wonder 'who the hell is this person?' about the lone red-Trump-voting dot at the extreme social-liberal end (and moderate economic-liberal end) of "figure 2". I want to meet them and ask them what they were thinking!
Overall, they are the most liberal respondent on the entire graph, and they voted Trump.

 

[mikeymikec]

Only vaguely related, but I had this topic on my mind when I saw this on imgur and thought I was looking at a merraccoon.