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Racism rising in Russia

maddogchen

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Semyon Tokmakov stretches out his hand and points to a thick scar he got from assaulting a black U.S. Marine six years ago. The attack cost him 1 1/2 years in jail, but Tokmakov says he has no regrets.


"We are waging a racial holy war," said Tokmakov, 28, an informal leader among Moscow's skinheads, whose violence appears to be rising.


Over the last several years, Russia has become a strikingly hostile place for all those with African, Asian or so-called Caucasian features ? the dark skin and dark hair typical for the peoples of the mountainous Caucasus region.


The U.S. Marine was badly beaten in 1998 in a Moscow market, one of several foreigners targeted in recent years. The last few months have seen an especially shocking series of brutal racial attacks, such as the stabbing of a Guinea-Bissau student in the central Russian city of Voronezh, the killing of an Afghan asylum seeker in Moscow, and the slaying of a 9-year-old Tajik girl in St. Petersburg by suspected skinheads.

Ethnic minorities in Moscow complain that beatings and insults are almost a daily occurrence.

"Racially motivated crimes are growing in number and brutality by the year," Alexander Brod, head of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, told The Associated Press in an interview.

According to a two-year study conducted by Brod's bureau and a few other groups, there are about 50,000 skinheads in Russia, with the two biggest cities, Moscow and St. Petersburg, home to about 1,500 each. It said 20-30 people have died in such attacks annually in the past few years, and the number of such crimes is growing by 30 percent per year.

"When you kill cockroaches, you don't feel sorry for them, do you?" Tokmakov said, when asked whether he felt sorry for the slain Tajik girl.

The growing extremist sentiments are rooted in Russia's economic problems, including high unemployment in many regions, and the collapse of the Soviet Union, which sent hundreds of thousands of migrants from poorer former Soviet republics to Russia seeking jobs.

"Why have they all come here?" Tokmakov said. "They bring nothing but drugs and AIDS (news - web sites). Every day they harass and steal our women."

Ethnic tensions are also fueled by Russia's nearly decade-long military conflict in the mostly Muslim province of Chechnya (news - web sites). Since shortly before the start of the second war in 1999, Moscow and several southern Russian cities have been shaken by a series of deadly blasts and suicide bombings authorities blame on Chechen rebels, which have further intensified xenophobic sentiments.

Political parties and politicians openly played the nationalist card in the December parliamentary vote, calling for the ouster of migrant workers and promoting Russia for Russians. Two such parties enjoyed victory in the election.

Tokmakov said he and his associates had been on the ballot of one of these parties, the Homeland bloc, but their names were later crossed out. Party officials have denied that.

"When there are such economic and other hardships, there are usually two ways of dealing with it ? the first is that of contemplating, the second is looking for an enemy and blaming him for your problems. Unfortunately Russia has chosen the second path," Brod said.

Rafael Arkelov, a 47-old Armenian singer who has spent all his life living in Moscow and for whom Russian is his first language, has experienced it all.

He was in a grocery store buying a chocolate bar and a bottle of champagne to visit his friends for a New Year's celebration when a man asked him for some change. After Arkelov refused to give him money, he saw the man approach two youths with shaved heads whom he identified as skinheads standing nearby and whispered something. Several minutes later, after Arkelov walked out of the store, he was jumped from behind.

"They punched me on my eyes, my face, and all of a sudden I couldn't see anymore. Then I collapsed to the ground and they started beating me with their feet," Arkelov recalled. "If it weren't for a woman across the street who screamed 'What are you doing?', if it weren't for this scream of hers, I think they would have beaten me to death."

Brod's study predicted that the number of skinheads could grow to 80,000- 100,000 within the next two years if authorities don't take measures to combat xenophobia. Interior Ministry officials have said they were closely watching 10,000 suspected members of extremist groups, but all too often racially motivated attacks are dismissed as hooliganism.

"Racism isn't unique to Russia, I know it exists in Europe and America," Arkelov said. "But unlike Russia, in those countries it is prosecuted and the state pursues specific policies to combat it."
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Sad, looks like Russia is slowly going down the drain, again.
 
This is not good but I don't see how this shows Russia is slowly going down the drain. Europe and the US had these problems if not worse. Were they slowly going down the drain too? I guess it's possible but it seems like a big generalization.
 
I think its slowly going down the drain because the problem is getting worst and they are not doing anything to fix it. While in other parts of Europe and US people and authorities are doing their best to stem racism.
Like that last line i highlighted in bold, by Arkelov.
 
So for you, if a country has a problem with racism, that's enough to say the country is going down the drain?

The US and Europe has a time in history when the authorities weren't really doing anything to stem the tide of racism. Were they going down the drain during those times? I think Russia can stem the tide. It's not like it's too late to try and ameliorate the situation.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Over the last several years, Russia has become a strikingly hostile place for all those with African, Asian or so-called Caucasian features ? the dark skin and dark hair typical for the peoples of the mountainous Caucasus region.

this is what i don't understand, what kind of people are these skinheads, if they're not african, asian, or caucasian? what are the majority of russians?
 
White. Caucasian doesn't mean white in Russia, it means from the Caucas mountains, where Chechnya is at. Many Russians don't like Chechens.
 
If your country has a problem with racism and your society isn't doing anything to curb or stem the spread of racism, then yes I think your country is socially going down the drain.

The US and Europe has a history of racism and I do think that as a society they were going down the drain during those times. Look at all the racial violence during those times: the lynching, the segregation, the protests and the violence.

Yes its not too late for Russia to try and stem the tide, or "plug" the drain. But unfortunately from what I gather of the article, they haven't tried.
 
That Marine should have unloaded his firearm into all of their heads.

I hate skinheads and would not mind if they were ALL terminated - that is just how I feel. Might sound wrong.. but they hate people for something they have no control over and because they are afraid of them.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Semyon Tokmakov stretches out his hand and points to a thick scar he got from assaulting a black U.S. Marine six years ago. The attack cost him 1 1/2 years in jail, but Tokmakov says he has no regrets.


"We are waging a racial holy war," said Tokmakov, 28, an informal leader among Moscow's skinheads, whose violence appears to be rising.


Over the last several years, Russia has become a strikingly hostile place for all those with African, Asian or so-called Caucasian features ? the dark skin and dark hair typical for the peoples of the mountainous Caucasus region.


The U.S. Marine was badly beaten in 1998 in a Moscow market, one of several foreigners targeted in recent years. The last few months have seen an especially shocking series of brutal racial attacks, such as the stabbing of a Guinea-Bissau student in the central Russian city of Voronezh, the killing of an Afghan asylum seeker in Moscow, and the slaying of a 9-year-old Tajik girl in St. Petersburg by suspected skinheads.

Ethnic minorities in Moscow complain that beatings and insults are almost a daily occurrence.

"Racially motivated crimes are growing in number and brutality by the year," Alexander Brod, head of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, told The Associated Press in an interview.

According to a two-year study conducted by Brod's bureau and a few other groups, there are about 50,000 skinheads in Russia, with the two biggest cities, Moscow and St. Petersburg, home to about 1,500 each. It said 20-30 people have died in such attacks annually in the past few years, and the number of such crimes is growing by 30 percent per year.

"When you kill cockroaches, you don't feel sorry for them, do you?" Tokmakov said, when asked whether he felt sorry for the slain Tajik girl.

The growing extremist sentiments are rooted in Russia's economic problems, including high unemployment in many regions, and the collapse of the Soviet Union, which sent hundreds of thousands of migrants from poorer former Soviet republics to Russia seeking jobs.

"Why have they all come here?" Tokmakov said. "They bring nothing but drugs and AIDS (news - web sites). Every day they harass and steal our women."

Ethnic tensions are also fueled by Russia's nearly decade-long military conflict in the mostly Muslim province of Chechnya (news - web sites). Since shortly before the start of the second war in 1999, Moscow and several southern Russian cities have been shaken by a series of deadly blasts and suicide bombings authorities blame on Chechen rebels, which have further intensified xenophobic sentiments.

Political parties and politicians openly played the nationalist card in the December parliamentary vote, calling for the ouster of migrant workers and promoting Russia for Russians. Two such parties enjoyed victory in the election.

Tokmakov said he and his associates had been on the ballot of one of these parties, the Homeland bloc, but their names were later crossed out. Party officials have denied that.

"When there are such economic and other hardships, there are usually two ways of dealing with it ? the first is that of contemplating, the second is looking for an enemy and blaming him for your problems. Unfortunately Russia has chosen the second path," Brod said.

Rafael Arkelov, a 47-old Armenian singer who has spent all his life living in Moscow and for whom Russian is his first language, has experienced it all.

He was in a grocery store buying a chocolate bar and a bottle of champagne to visit his friends for a New Year's celebration when a man asked him for some change. After Arkelov refused to give him money, he saw the man approach two youths with shaved heads whom he identified as skinheads standing nearby and whispered something. Several minutes later, after Arkelov walked out of the store, he was jumped from behind.

"They punched me on my eyes, my face, and all of a sudden I couldn't see anymore. Then I collapsed to the ground and they started beating me with their feet," Arkelov recalled. "If it weren't for a woman across the street who screamed 'What are you doing?', if it weren't for this scream of hers, I think they would have beaten me to death."

Brod's study predicted that the number of skinheads could grow to 80,000- 100,000 within the next two years if authorities don't take measures to combat xenophobia. Interior Ministry officials have said they were closely watching 10,000 suspected members of extremist groups, but all too often racially motivated attacks are dismissed as hooliganism.

"Racism isn't unique to Russia, I know it exists in Europe and America," Arkelov said. "But unlike Russia, in those countries it is prosecuted and the state pursues specific policies to combat it."
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Sad, looks like Russia is slowly going down the drain, again.

Unfortunantly this is not limited to Russia, skinheads are common here in Germany too and if you have ever been to southern cali you would know that they are common in the US too.

If i see one i'll deck him, fvcking neo-nazis, i hate them.
 
Originally posted by: illustri
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Over the last several years, Russia has become a strikingly hostile place for all those with African, Asian or so-called Caucasian features ? the dark skin and dark hair typical for the peoples of the mountainous Caucasus region.

this is what i don't understand, what kind of people are these skinheads, if they're not african, asian, or caucasian? what are the majority of russians?

They're called Ethnic Russians.
 
The reason Russia isn't dealing with these problems is because they don't have the money to. If you've been there, you can see that pretty clearly. They can't even enforce most rapes over there because of lack of funds. That's one of the main problems with 90% of Russian money being in Moscow.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Russians have a long hiotory of xenophobic and racial intolerence

So does the US.

Europe probably has the most brutal history of racial intolerance.

Killing just about all natives and a tradition of enslaving other races? In europe? Eh, no.

The slaves in Europe were not slaves because of race or religious belief, they were slaves because they were poor, no better but it still had nothing to do with race, read up.

The most racist nation in history is the US, there is really no question about that.
 
Originally posted by: AcidicFury
The reason Russia isn't dealing with these problems is because they don't have the money to. If you've been there, you can see that pretty clearly. They can't even enforce most rapes over there because of lack of funds. That's one of the main problems with 90% of Russian money being in Moscow.

Unfortunantly the money didn't go where freedom went, to the people. No one is really better off in todays climate, crimes are up by *20 and the police force is weak.

Yes, the freedom has a price, many would rather not pay that price, so they try to blame their misery on someone, preferably on someone other than themselves.

The entire system is corrupt, we have to deal with this system in Europe too, we arrest and send them back, they set them free again cuz they have money, and round and round we go.

Something has to be done about Russia.
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Russians have a long hiotory of xenophobic and racial intolerence

So does the US.

Europe probably has the most brutal history of racial intolerance.

Killing just about all natives and a tradition of enslaving other races? In europe? Eh, no.

The slaves in Europe were not slaves because of race or religious belief, they were slaves because they were poor, no better but it still had nothing to do with race, read up.

The most racist nation in history is the US, there is really no question about that.

Europeans came to another continent and wiped out about 90% of the natives. Granted much of it was due to the diseases they brought, but let's not forget how many European powers absolutely decimated entire civilizations in the Americas through military force. Oh my, those Europeans!

Let's not forget that Europeans BROUGHT slaves to the US. You know, the US only 'imported' Slaves for about 30 years, Europeans did that for hundreds. Yes, European powers had slaves in the Americas. How shocking!

Let's not forget the colonialism and the RAPE of the world. Europe sure seemed to love that. Oh, it sure must have been fun to be killed, raped, and plundered by those marvelous Europeans!

Let's not forget that much of the genocide today is rooted from Europe. Good going, Europe!

How tolerant Europe was during WW2! All that genocidal stuff! Oh my!

Oh, then there's the genocides of Eastern Europe. How modern!

Europe has and is far more racist than the US. Its history has been far more destructive. Many problems today are partial results of European activity. There is no question about that, unless you're European. You see, Europeans apparently like to forget about most of this stuff.
 
Originally posted by: Klixxer

The most racist nation in history is the US, there is really no question about that.

Considering that the vast majority of Europeans openly declare themselves as racists and are actively enacting legislation against minorities (on a path to eventual genocide), I would think you can many other countries and say it's more racist than the US.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Russians have a long hiotory of xenophobic and racial intolerence

So does the US.

Europe probably has the most brutal history of racial intolerance.

Killing just about all natives and a tradition of enslaving other races? In europe? Eh, no.

The slaves in Europe were not slaves because of race or religious belief, they were slaves because they were poor, no better but it still had nothing to do with race, read up.

The most racist nation in history is the US, there is really no question about that.

Europeans came to another continent and wiped out about 90% of the natives. Granted much of it was due to the diseases they brought, but let's not forget how many European powers absolutely decimated entire civilizations in the Americas through military force. Oh my, those Europeans!

Let's not forget that Europeans BROUGHT slaves to the US. You know, the US only 'imported' Slaves for about 30 years, Europeans did that for hundreds. Yes, European powers had slaves in the Americas. How shocking!

Let's not forget the colonialism and the RAPE of the world. Europe sure seemed to love that. Oh, it sure must have been fun to be killed, raped, and plundered by those marvelous Europeans!

Let's not forget that much of the genocide today is rooted from Europe. Good going, Europe!

How tolerant Europe was during WW2! All that genocidal stuff! Oh my!

Oh, then there's the genocides of Eastern Europe. How modern!

Europe has and is far more racist than the US. Its history has been far more destructive. Many problems today are partial results of European activity. There is no question about that, unless you're European. You see, Europeans apparently like to forget about most of this stuff.

Klixxer celebrates those events, he doesn't condemn them.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

The most racist nation in history is the US, there is really no question about that.

Considering that the vast majority of Europeans openly declare themselves as racists and are actively enacting legislation against minorities (on a path to eventual genocide), I would think you can many other countries and say it's more racist than the US.

Prove it. Show me a study or poll or anything that the vast majority of Europeans decalre themselves racist.
 
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