Racism in America: Black woman pretends to be white, job offers come rolling in...

Ryan

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Two years ago, I noticed that Monster.com had added a “diversity questionnaire” to the site. This gives an applicant the opportunity to identify their sex and race to potential employers. Monster.com guarantees that this “option” will not jeopardize your chances of gaining employment. You must answer this questionnaire in order to apply to a posted position—it cannot be skipped. At times, I would mark off that I was a Black female, but then I thought, this might be hurting my chances of getting employed, so I started selecting the “decline to identify” option instead. That still had no effect on my getting a job. So I decided to try an experiment: I created a fake job applicant and called her Bianca White.

First, I created an email account and resume for Bianca. I kept the same employment history and educational background on her resume that was listed on my own. But I removed my home phone number, kept my listed cell phone number, and changed my cell phone greeting to say, “You have reached Bianca White. Please leave a message.” Then I created an online Monster.com account, listed Bianca as a White woman on the diversity questionnaire, and activated the account.

That very same day, I received a phone call. The next day, my phone line and Bianca’s email address, were packed with potential employers calling for an interview. I was stunned. More shocking was that some employers, mostly Caucasian-sounding women, were calling Bianca more than once, desperate to get an interview with her. All along, my realMonster.com account was open and active; but, despite having the same background as Bianca, I received no phone calls. Two jobs actually did email me and Bianca at the same time. But they were commission only sales positions. Potential positions offering a competitive salary and benefits all went to Bianca.

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012...be-white-job-prospects-dramatically-increase/

Interesting - Woman puts her race as black, she gets nothing. When she declines to include race, still nothing. When she changes it to white, however, the offers start rolling in......

And to think - if you listened to Republicans when it comes to issues like Affirmative Action and racism, you would think that none of this kind of stuff existed.....
 

xBiffx

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http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012...be-white-job-prospects-dramatically-increase/

Interesting - Woman puts her race as black, she gets nothing. When she declines to include race, still nothing. When she changes it to white, however, the offers start rolling in......

And to think - if you listened to Republicans when it comes to issues like Affirmative Action and racism, you would think that none of this kind of stuff existed.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Good read.
 

SheHateMe

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From the comments:


So what? White businessmen know that blacks hate their guts and want to tax (enslave) them to support the black community. Blacks voted for Obama 97%. So why should a white-owned business want to employ their enemies? On paper a black may appear to have the same qualifications as a white — but only because of government-sanctioned lower standards for blacks than for whites. Also, blacks create a hostile work environment for whites. Once a black is employed, they are in effect a government spy, ready at any moment to sue their employer for some charge of racism or discrimination. Whites are better off staying as far away from blacks as they possibly can. After all, a business is primarily in business to benefit the business owner — through greater profits & by creating a pleasant, trouble-free, harmonious work environment. Blacks ruin that for most whites. Quit looking for whitey to save you. If you want a job, turn to your own race or create your own business. Since blacks & whites are equal in all respects (right?), that should be no problem. Or get a job as a federal employee where the color of your skin and animosity towards whites will be an asset. Maybe you could go work for the Civil Rights department and entrap white business owners and sue them for not giving preferential treatment to blacks.



This guy blew a gasket, LOL
 

thraashman

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This doesn't necessarily prove anything as it could be a complete coincidence. However anyone who believes that racism isn't still a problem in this nation is either lying to themselves or seriously blind.

Just look at all the people who supported Ron Paul or those who supported Santorum even after he called the President a "nig ... uh ..." before catching himself.
 

xBiffx

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Empirical studies that show statistically significant discrimination against blacks in hiring are also good reads.

This is anecdotal evidence, but it dovetails with research in the field. I mean is anyone really shocked to learn that Americans are racist against black people?

No one denies racism exists. That isn't the point of this thread. Its a troll thread with an erroneous conclusion that the job offer in this case was based entirely on race.

That and the troll statement about Republicans that has nothing to do with the story. This has nothing to do with Affirmative Action.
 
Apr 27, 2012
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This doesn't necessarily prove anything as it could be a complete coincidence. However anyone who believes that racism isn't still a problem in this nation is either lying to themselves or seriously blind.

Just look at all the people who supported Ron Paul or those who supported Santorum even after he called the President a "nig ... uh ..." before catching himself.

Ron Paul isn't a racist you idiot. You dont remember how he helped the black guy who couldn't get healthcare for his wife? Typical of you and your ilk.
 

nextJin

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This doesn't necessarily prove anything as it could be a complete coincidence. However anyone who believes that racism isn't still a problem in this nation is either lying to themselves or seriously blind.

Just look at all the people who supported Ron Paul or those who supported Santorum even after he called the President a "nig ... uh ..." before catching himself.

Lol so all the racist people voted for Paul? Well then after the primaries were over it should be common knowledge that racism is not a huge deal....

Dumb ass, Paul had more minorities in his camp than the entire field of candidates combined.
 

shortylickens

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"Caucasian-sounding woman"

Its funny cuz if a white person says the opposite then thats fucking racist.
 

thraashman

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"Caucasian-sounding woman"

Its funny cuz if a white person says the opposite then thats fucking racist.

Yeah, I saw that too and realized it didn't do her point much justice. I mean I can understand as we often expect certain speech characteristics to come from certain ethnicities or nationalities, doesn't make her statement less racially charged.
 
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No one denies racism exists. That isn't the point of this thread. Its a troll thread with an erroneous conclusion that the job offer in this case was based entirely on race.

That and the troll statement about Republicans that has nothing to do with the story. This has nothing to do with Affirmative Action
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This. Just an idiotic troll thread that needs to be mocked and ridiculed.
 

woolfe9998

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In what particular way do you suppose confirmation bias worked to skew the result of the job search described in the OP article? I will concede that a hidden and undisclosed problem with the methodology could exist, but nothing is apparent from reading the article. Sounds like you're just making a generic allegation of bias because you don't like the implication of the result here, which is essentially your own confirmation bias at work.
 

nehalem256

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Empirical studies that show statistically significant discrimination against blacks in hiring are also good reads.

You mean the ones that use ghetto sounding names?

And don't use any "white-trash" sounding names for the white people. Or even shall we say other odd sounding names as a control group.
 

xBiffx

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In what particular way do you suppose confirmation bias worked to skew the result of the job search described in the OP article? I will concede that a hidden and undisclosed problem with the methodology could exist, but nothing is apparent from reading the article. Sounds like you're just making a generic allegation of bias because you don't like the implication of the result here, which is essentially your own confirmation bias at work.

Nothing, at all, proves that the race indication change was the cause of anything. She applied for a bunch of different jobs and got different results. There's a surprise.
 

nehalem256

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http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012...be-white-job-prospects-dramatically-increase/

Interesting - Woman puts her race as black, she gets nothing. When she declines to include race, still nothing. When she changes it to white, however, the offers start rolling in......

And to think - if you listened to Republicans when it comes to issues like Affirmative Action and racism, you would think that none of this kind of stuff existed.....

Oh so she also changed her name from Yolanda Spivey to Bianca White.

Yet another case of namism.
 

glenn1

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This doesn't necessarily prove anything as it could be a complete coincidence. However anyone who believes that racism isn't still a problem in this nation is either lying to themselves or seriously blind.

Agreed, but do think there may be a simple explanation since this wasn't a true double-blind experiment. Since the website likely has a tool where recruiters return only the "new" profiles, it may be completely understandable that she got calls on her "new" white profile and few on her "old" black profile. She should have created two new profiles (one black, one white) and observed any differences in callback rates. I'd also want to confirm there weren't any obvious non-racial factors which may have made a difference as well; for example if the new profile had a professional email address like "bianca.white@email.com" and her old profile was listed under "black_power@kill-whitey.com"
 

woolfe9998

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Nothing, at all, proves that the race indication change was the cause of anything. She applied for a bunch of different jobs and got different results. There's a surprise.

She says she put out identical CV's other than name and ethnicity and got different results. While it's true that with a single sample the different results might be due to random chance, it isn't exactly a "no proof" situation like you describe. Nor have you explained how confirmation bias applies here.

I think you just don't like the message.
 

SheHateMe

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You mean the ones that use ghetto sounding names?

And don't use any "white-trash" sounding names for the white people. Or even shall we say other odd sounding names as a control group.

Her real name is Yolanda.


Id be interested to know if she applied for the same jobs as a white woman....that would be interesting. If she got hits as a white woman on the same resume she used as a black woman that would be VERY interesting.
 

fskimospy

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You mean the ones that use ghetto sounding names?

And don't use any "white-trash" sounding names for the white people. Or even shall we say other odd sounding names as a control group.

They sound 'ghetto' to you because you equate ethnically black names with being ghetto, which is the whole point. If someone is discriminating against class and people assume ethnically black names equate to low class...well...that's racism. Furthermore, the study controlled for this effect.

This isn't rocket science.

Furthermore, including other groups that you think might also be discriminated against would in fact be meaningless. The presence of other discrimination does not affect whether or not blacks are discriminated against.

We have been over this before, you didn't learn anything last time and you won't this time either.
 

Ryan

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Nothing, at all, proves that the race indication change was the cause of anything. She applied for a bunch of different jobs and got different results. There's a surprise.


Are you kidding? The evidence is pretty compelling - there were no differences between all three profiles she used EXCEPT for race.

Also, she didn't apply for jobs - employers were seeking her out after finding the online profile she posted. Basically, any employer would have found all three of her profiles when they did an applicant search - and the only difference between all three was race.
 

xBiffx

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She says she put out identical CV's other than name and ethnicity and got different results. While it's true that with a single sample the different results might be due to random chance, it isn't exactly a "no proof" situation like you describe. Nor have you explained how confirmation bias applies here.

I think you just don't like the message.

She went looking for different treatment based on here answers on race. Her and others seem to think that is exactly what happened here. How is that not confirmation bias?

Are you trying to say that she wasn't trying to show racism with this stunt?