Originally posted by: Atheus
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"I wouldn't feel comfortable in a society that wants to genocide me and views me as inferior."
Thar ya go. We do not want to genocide you, that's just dumb.
Sorry BTW, a slight misquote by me, you said you wouldn't _live_ in Europe. Didn't realise you had been there, didn't imagine you could have been, considering your apparent hate for the place.
That does not say that I think that you in particular want to kill me.
I am sure the far right supremicists _everywhere_ crave all sorts of horrible things. That is not "many" in Europe .
The far-right is quite strong in Europe though, and powerful politically. From support for Le Pen in France (recent polls provide scary results), Denmark, Switzerland, etc. Do you think that Germany would actually propose concentration camps in the African desert for refugees if there was not a powerful far-right element in the government/society?
Although the Nazis had not implemented (or even concieved, probably) their 'final solution' at the start of the war, their view of other races as inferior was quite well known. The war was started in order to stop the continent being taken over by fascists and racists, and therefore avoid such things as genocide.
The British Empire's view of their slaves (those oppressed in their colonies) was quite well known, too. Nobody went to war to stop a genocide in WW2.
You surely cannot believe we had some sort of evil motives can you?
Where did I say here that they had an evil motive in WW2?
Well, that's what a genocide is isn't it? The attempt to wipe out an entire race? I think the Empire was much more interested in enslaving them. As was the United States.
Enslavement was often accompanied by a genocide.
What, exactly am I to blame for? Both our ancestors (assuming your family is American for many generations) were in the British Empire, and neither of us are to blame for their actions.
I am not blaming you for anything.
No, my family has not been American for many generations. The vast majority of current British are not responsible for anything the Empire did. However, the government is responsible.
You didn't, I didn't say you did, but you seem to think it is far superior to everywhere else, i.e. putting it on a pedistal.
In regards to minorities, immigrants, etc. it is near the top (along with Canada). If you want to talk about gays, it definitely is not. I am sure that there are many other issues where it is not superior.
You aren't just critisizing Europe, you are ruthlessly slamming Europe. I would happily discuss with you the recent growth of the BNP in England, or racist German football fans, but you blow it all _way_ out of proportion.
Funny, I think that you are completely underestimating the situation.
There is an example right there of putting the US on a pedistal. In the 50s and 60s many (truly many) Americans were rampant racists and clearly wanted to exterminate black people. Yet you somehow turn this back on me? You compare modern Europe to post-war America in terms of civil rights?
Yes, I do believe that Europe is roughly in the equivalent era of civil rights as the US in the 60s or maybe 70s. They are decades behind now, and unfortunately many of the people don't seem to want to be progressive about the issue.
Please post all the church burnings and child killings so I can make a comparison.
Many buildings (mosques, churches, schools, etc.) were burned in the Netherlands following Theo Van Gogh's assassination.
I'll be sure to watch for Muslims being made to sit at the back of the bus too.
The issue involves more than just Muslims. Many minorities have been pushed out of cities into the suburbs in Europe. I posted a thread about the Chinese in Rome and the attempt to try to force them to go to the suburbs.
We are posting in a thread about Germany... a country which until 2000 didn't even let people with non-German blood become citizens. A country where 40% of the population wants to restrict freedom of religion and 56% support a ban on the building of mosques.
And Europe is actually not declining economiacally - GDP is clearly increasing, check anywhere you like.
Europe's economic power is declining in respect to the rest of the world. Nobody thinks about Europe when they think of the future world economic powers. They think of the US, China, India, etc. Europe has an aging, shrinking population.
