Racial profiling in reverse?

[classy]

<< Crime will never decrease so long as cops remain strictly reactive. Historically, cops react to a crime and deal with it from there. How can a cop possibly decrease crime if the crime has already happened?


By shooting the perpetrator so his public defender cannot get him released to do a repeat performance ???
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That is really an ignorant post. You lowlife.

 

[UnixFreak]

So , classy, I am wrong about this? In what way? I dont think it was created to help minorities, either. Welfare was created, just like the &quot;projects&quot; in big cities, to keep groups of people under the government's thumb. When they create acres of projects, with a liquor store on every corner, and give them welfare, so they dont have to work, where do you think those groups of people are going to go? I say the majority of them stay there, breed, waste thier lives, and rot, and so do thier children, and grandchildren. They are reservationized, without the fences or formalities, and I think its planned that way. It's messed up, but I think thats whats really happening here.

 

[classy]

<< Classy: Oh yeah, OJ GOT OFF SCOTT FREE! >>



hehehehehehehe I don't think it was too free. He is paying 33 million to pass Go. Guilty or not. But dude still has it made. He is collecting a cool 6 million a year for the rest of his life that no one can touch. If he is guilty it just doesn't seem right.

 

[Amused]

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<< I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it? >>



When you have a guy pointing a gun at you, or worse yet, shooting at you, what would you do??? When you have a 12 year old kid mowing people down with a car, then aiming for you, what would you do??? When you have a guy rushing you with a knife, what would you do???

Come on, Classy, if you have evidence these 15 shootings were not justifiable, bring it on and let's review it. However, simply suggesting wrong-doing on the part of police where no proof of such exists is ridiculous.

I do agree that the shooting that started the controversy was wrong. That does NOT mean all the others are as well.

BTW, the last five Cincinnati police officers killed in the line of duty (or every Cincinnati cop killed since 1983) were killed by black men. >>



That is the police versions. The police versions always seem to justify the actions. So because I wasn't there I can't say either or. But if they were all so cut and dry why would the FBI be looking into the actions of the police. Also let's not over look that this city is not even one of the more crime ridden cities. If this was murder capital Wash. DC, or Kansas City, St. Louis, or Houston, I might buy some of what the police are selling. But none of those cities seem to be having this problem with all these so called deadly confrontations and the only people ending up dead are black people. Explain that to me. Please. >>



Classy, I asked for evidence of wrong-doing. You obviously have none, other than innuendo and baseless suspicion.

As Apu would say, &quot;thank you, come again.&quot; >>



Wonder how fast you would use &quot;thank you and come again&quot; if black officers just started smoking white people. You would be out for blood for the first incident that happened, let alone 15 later. Look at OJ. First famous brother to be accused of murdering a white woman and white America was saying the laws needed to be changed. They forgot Juice used the same laws that guilty white folk had used to beat the rap. (I still believe he's innocent). I wonder how much of the police version you be buying then if it was reversed? Its easy to condemn when it doesn't affect you in any way. But I am still thankful. Times are changing, Soon America will be so colorful and &quot;grey&quot;, we won't have no choice but to drop the racism. When whites are more in line in terms of numbers with the rest of us, I believe and only then will America begin to move beyond racism. When the blacks become your friends and neighbors and even family members, it will stop a lot of this so called justice that many of deem proper. >>



Black people ARE my friends and neighbors, Classy. And I've heard of multiple shooting incidents between black officers and white suspects. It doesn't bother me in the least. The color of the actors doesn't concern me. It's the ACTIONS of the actors that concern me. And so far, you haven't brought forth ANY evidence whatsoever that the 15 shootings were in any way suspect. Nor has anyone else in the four months the CPD has been investigated.

You see, Classy, unlike you, I judge people by the content of their character, i.e., their actions, rather than their color. To you, every white cop who shoots a black suspect is guilty of racism until proven innocent. To me, every black cop who shoots a white suspect is innocent until proven otherwise.

BTW, the 12 year old black Cincinnati kid who was killed after trying to run down innocent people and was killed by a cop (and killed the cop too)... Guess what... The cop was black.

I never said the laws should be changed after/because of OJ, Classy. I do think the LA DA and the police involved should have been fired for incompetence, but I have no problem with our justice system in and of itself in regard to OJ Simpson.

And Classy, I think you need to reexamine your attitude. I honestly believe that in your fight against racism, you've become the very thing you seek to destroy, IMHO.

 

[classy]

<< So , classy, I am wrong about this? In what way? I dont think it was created to help minorities, either. Welfare was created, just like the &quot;projects&quot; in big cities, to keep groups of people under the government's thumb. When they create acres of projects, with a liquor store on every corner, and give them welfare, so they dont have to work, where do you think those groups of people are going to go? I say the majority of them stay there, breed, waste thier lives, and rot, and so do thier children, and grandchildren. They are reservationized, without the fences or formalities, and I think its planned that way. It's messed up, but I think thats whats really happening here. >>



Dude, brace yourself. LOL Everything you just said Louis Farrakhan has been saying that for years. He actually teaches that is how the white man has gotten the upper hand. Now his great plot I think is a little weak. I don't believe you can get sweet water from a sour well and he is really sour. You know what I mean. Now I don't think it was planned that way but it is pretty eery none the less.

 

[b0mbrman]

You guys are so RACIST!!! :| Just because blacks commit a disproportionally large percent of the crimes doesn't mean they should be arrested for it! Please be more politically correct next time before you make such bigoted comments.

. But if another black man shoots another black man he goes to jail if caught.

Come on now. We know this isn't true. How many gang killings do you think go undocumented let alone unpunished?

 

[b0mbrman]

I'm a double poster!

 

[classy]

<< And Classy, I think you need to reexamine your attitude. I honestly believe that in your fight against racism, you've become the very thing you seek to destroy, IMHO. >>



Amuse that is far from true. I have no hang ups at all. There is what maybe 5-6 blacks maybe that come to OT on a regular basis. This is certainly not a haven for a black racist in any stretch of the imagination. But the one thing that I don't do that people like yourself do, you buy everything hook line and sinker. You take something on face value. I don't. Lets just deal with Cinncy for a minute. You don't find it a bit strange at all that these men, all black are dead? Despite the fact there are other cities with 3 to 4 times more crime but yet have no suspicions of this? For a person who is so bent on character, your response says otherwise. Most people bent on character are try to look beyond and see if there is anything more to it. But not you. You just say, Oh well they did it, they got killed so what. Hmmmmm, no question at all for the maybe the character of the officers either? If your looking for character please examine all without rose colored glasses.

 

[UnixFreak]

<< You guys are so RACIST!!! Just because blacks commit a disproportionally large percent of the crimes doesn't mean they should be arrested for it! Please be more politically correct next time before you make such bigoted comments. >>




I cant believe I just read that. Hilarious. I hope thats sarcasm. Great logic, people who commit crimes should not be arrested, if a large amount of people of that race commit crimes. Good Policy.

 

[Siva]

<< That is talking about the gang violence which we all agree is running rampant. But if another black man shoots another black man he goes to jail if caught. But when a white officer kills a black man he goes free 99.99999999% of the time. Either by hook or crook he goes free. And here's another piece of the story that needs to brought up. This is not usual either >>


A cop needs to be able to pull the trigger when he fears for his life and not have to fear for his job afterwards. They take a very dangerous job, especially in the bigger cities when a cop shoots a man, black or white, the cop should always get the benefit of the doubt. Police officers aren't trying to kill people, maybe there are a few rare exceptions, they are trying to prevent crime and do their job. Its not like the police run one big conspirecy to bring down black people and only them. They do their job, give them some credit because its not an easy job to do.

 

[UnixFreak]

<< Its not like the police run one big conspirecy to bring down black people and only them >>




You are right. Most officers are just doing their job. But the conspiracy is created far, far above thier level.

 

[b0mbrman]

I cant believe I just read that. Hilarious. I hope thats sarcasm. Great logic, people who commit crimes should not be arrested, if a large amount of people of that race commit crimes. Good Policy.



[sarcasm]No, it's not sarcasm[/sarcasm]

Okay, back to the topic though. Here's what I think about a lot of subjects nowadays: It's too easy to rationalize one point of view.

In the past year, I've been on opposite sides of the political spectrum spending time serving in the US Army and studying at UC Berkeley.

When I talked to the Army guys, they were unbending in their support for Bush. They could make arguments for why Bush was awesome and Gore sucked and it would be impossible to poke holes in it.

When I got back to Cal, it was just the opposite--Gore was the answer and that's that...end of discussion.

Obviously, one group has to be full of [edit]poop[/edit]. Either that or both groups have a bit of [edit]poop[/edit] in them...When it comes to race too, it's easy to rationlize any point of view you want to take. Who knows what the right answer is? I'm glad that this argument here has been based mostly around facts and not childish name-calling...we all know that race arguments can get really silly.

 

[Amused]

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<< And Classy, I think you need to reexamine your attitude. I honestly believe that in your fight against racism, you've become the very thing you seek to destroy, IMHO. >>



Amuse that is far from true. I have no hang ups at all. There is what maybe 5-6 blacks maybe that come to OT on a regular basis. This is certainly not a haven for a black racist in any stretch of the imagination. But the one thing that I don't do that people like yourself do, you buy everything hook line and sinker. You take something on face value. I don't. Lets just deal with Cinncy for a minute. You don't find it a bit strange at all that these men, all black are dead? Despite the fact there are other cities with 3 to 4 times more crime but yet have no suspicions of this? For a person who is so bent on character, your response says otherwise. Most people bent on character are try to look beyond and see if there is anything more to it. But not you. You just say, Oh well they did it, they got killed so what. Hmmmmm, no question at all for the maybe the character of the officers either? If your looking for character please examine all without rose colored glasses. >>



Classy, like I said, after four months of investigations, no wrongdoing has been found. I didn't take it on face value, Classy. I gave every organization from the NAACP to the FBI a chance to find ANY evidence of wrong doing, and none have.

All you have is the innuendo of &quot;so many black people shot in cinci by cops, therefore, there must be something racist going on... never mind that there's no evidence of any such thing... the sheer numbers alone are racist... even if the black guys were trying to kill the cops that shot them... it's still racist.

Don't you see how terribly biased that is, Classy? No rose colored glasses here. Only healthy skepticism for conspiracy theories. And so far, you've offered up no proof of one in Cincinnati.

Oh, and Classy, how many of those 15 were shot by black cops? If a black cop shoots a black suspect, do you automatically assume racism? (Believe it or not, some black activists HAVE said it is.)

You believe that one bad shooting, and an odd number of shootings before that equal guilt in all the shootings. I do not. I require proof of guilt on a CASE by CASE basis.

 

[Raspewtin]

holding back on arresting blacks is not the revers of racial profiling. and welcome to America, this happens to whites everyday.

 

[Amused]

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<< So , classy, I am wrong about this? In what way? I dont think it was created to help minorities, either. Welfare was created, just like the &quot;projects&quot; in big cities, to keep groups of people under the government's thumb. When they create acres of projects, with a liquor store on every corner, and give them welfare, so they dont have to work, where do you think those groups of people are going to go? I say the majority of them stay there, breed, waste thier lives, and rot, and so do thier children, and grandchildren. They are reservationized, without the fences or formalities, and I think its planned that way. It's messed up, but I think thats whats really happening here. >>



Dude, brace yourself. LOL Everything you just said Louis Farrakhan has been saying that for years. He actually teaches that is how the white man has gotten the upper hand. Now his great plot I think is a little weak. I don't believe you can get sweet water from a sour well and he is really sour. You know what I mean. Now I don't think it was planned that way but it is pretty eery none the less. >>



Classy, it's just proof that socialism creates dependancy, and dependancy creates virtual slavery.

 

[glenn1]

<< holding back on arresting blacks is not the reverse of racial profiling. and welcome to America, this happens to whites everyday. >>



Okay, then let me ask a question then, in a slightly different way. Presuming that 'de-policing' is a real phenomenom, is this a good thing or a bad thing, and why?

 

[Raspewtin]

<< Presuming that 'de-policing' is a real phenomenom, is this a good thing or a bad thing, and why? >>




hmm, it really depends. The rediculous ways traffics laws are written, the police have vast overarching powers, police probably could find something to get you on any time of day or night. Thus using some common sense on their part is a necessity. They can seize your property etc. with little or no explanation accept assumptions re: drugs, and the probably of seizure is a lot higher for anyone who doesn't have white skin, especially in certain neighborhoods. The reason they don't abuse this power IMO in certain areas is purely b/c of the wealth of certain areas, and how accountable they will be made for their actions. The reason they do abuse these powers in certain communities is b/c they can. When they can abuse their power, they will IMO (not b/c policemen specifically are bad, but b/c of the culture of police departments is pretty messed up (know this from firsthand experience))

Thus &quot;de-policing&quot; is good for the most part, and things like racial profiling are the only things holding these guys in check in many places from very blantant racial discrimination. If they let crime slip by they will also get negative repercussions.

The result is that by juggling these problems, police departments will learn some issues they desperately need to learn

(1) they cannot scapegoat their problems on certain racial groups which they use as a quick fix too often

(2) they will remember they are there to SERVE the people and they work for the people

(3) they will learn to BALANCE their behavior

 

[Moonbeam]

There's a lot of wisdon here. Obviously what we need is millions of black officers with authorization to go through white people's banking and other financial records, expense accounts, tax records, and business books looking for white collar crime. Who commits most of the crime in America. White guys in suits, no?

 

[classy]

<< You guys are so RACIST!!! :| Just because blacks commit a disproportionally large percent of the crimes doesn't mean they should be arrested for it! Please be more politically correct next time before you make such bigoted comments.

. But if another black man shoots another black man he goes to jail if caught.

Come on now. We know this isn't true. How many gang killings do you think go undocumented let alone unpunished? >>



Ah....I said if they are caught. I think the answer is that all of us black folk should just leave this country and return home or find another country. So that way all of you can feel safe at night. I think we would do okay. Lot of the corporate world would be broke, but according to the knowledge here, they would be safe. Is that what would make you guys happy? Because according to the knowledge here there appears to be no other answer.

 

[NesuD]

<< But when a white officer kills a black man he goes free 99.99999999% of the time. Either by hook or crook he goes free. And here's another piece of the story that needs to brought up. This is not usual either >>



Maybe just maybe Classy 99.99999999% of the time the officer is justified in shooting the suspect. Like when he is being shot at or threatened with a deadly weapon. It looks as if you are saying that most of the time the officer is unjustified regardless of the threat and should be punished. You really need to deal with your hate issues and start living in the real world. Don't bother replying i am sure it will be some more of your white hating racist spew that you are so fond of throwing around here.

 

[Amused]

<< There's a lot of wisdon here. Obviously what we need is millions of black officers with authorization to go through white people's banking and other financial records, expense accounts, tax records, and business books looking for white collar crime. Who commits most of the crime in America. White guys in suits, no? >>



But Moonie, they already do that. It may not all be black men doing it, but the government has it's fair share of black employees and it's invading our privacy every day in ways that would have our Founding Fathers calling for rebellion.

BTW, white guys in suits committing most crimes? ROTFLMAOPIMP!!! Oh, Moonie, your class envy and elitism knows no bounds, does it?

 

[Moonbeam]

&quot;it's invading our privacy every day in ways that would have our Founding Fathers calling for rebellion.&quot; Jesus, amused, thanks for making my point. Don't you see that's how blacks feel about their situation too.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

But if they were all so cut and dry why would the FBI be looking into the actions of the police.

The same reason the police are de-policing, public pressure. They haven't found anything in what should be a simple investigation, did or did not these people provoke the cops to shoot them?


In the past year, I've been on opposite sides of the political spectrum spending time serving in the US Army and studying at UC Berkeley.

When I talked to the Army guys, they were unbending in their support for Bush. They could make arguments for why Bush was awesome and Gore sucked and it would be impossible to poke holes in it.

When I got back to Cal, it was just the opposite--Gore was the answer and that's that...end of discussion.


I heard that. Berkeley is a cesspool of narrowminded Nazis operating under the guise of &quot;liberals&quot;.

 

[classy]

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<< But when a white officer kills a black man he goes free 99.99999999% of the time. Either by hook or crook he goes free. And here's another piece of the story that needs to brought up. This is not usual either >>



Maybe just maybe Classy 99.99999999% of the time the officer is justified in shooting the suspect. Like when he is being shot at or threatened with a deadly weapon. It looks as if you are saying that most of the time the officer is unjustified regardless of the threat and should be punished. You really need to deal with your hate issues and start living in the real world. Don't bother replying i am sure it will be some more of your white hating racist spew that you are so fond of throwing around here. >>



Its funny. Have 3 white friends who are NJ State Troopers. One's a sargeant, one's a detective and other just a patrolman. And my good friend another white dude called me today as a matter of fact to tell me passed his test to get in. Now he has to work on the physical stuff. I am just bringing a different side to the story. If you think all these shootings are justified you are smoking crack. My uncle is a high ranking sargeant at the State Prison here. These people are my friends and family. I love them and want no harm to come to them. Whether they are white or black. I told my boy the last time we was talking that I want him to always come home. Do what he has too, but always remember that the other person has to go home as well. There are just too many freaking mistakes and some of the ones being wheeled in the morgues are innocent. So you and every butt munch like yourself can take your judgement of me and stick up your you know what. If you can't take the fact that I look at the other side of story tough, grow up or shut up.

 

[Rio Rebel]

<< So you and every butt munch like yourself can take your judgement of me and stick up your you know what. If you can't take the fact that I look at the other side of story tough, grow up or shut up. >>



Still out winning friends and influencing people, eh, Classy?

I still don't like the way you attack everyone who disagrees with you and calls them racist, but I'm glad to see a different opinion around here. If we can endure the Conservative Manifesto every 20th thread or so, we can certainly endure your perspective.