Racial profiling in reverse?

[glenn1]

Story link

Story lead-in:

"The cops on the street have different names for it: de-policing, selective disengagement, tactical detachment. They even joke about it, calling themselves 'tourists in blue.'

Whatever the term, rank-and-file officers in the Seattle Police Department say it is a spreading phenomenon in the city's black neighborhoods, and a logical reaction to chronic charges of police racism.

De-policing is passive law enforcement: Officers consciously stop trying to prevent low-level crime and simply react to 911 calls. Many officers, wary of being labeled racists or racial profilers, say they hold back or bypass opportunities to make traffic stops or arrests of black suspects."

 

[Rage187]

thats rediculuose


and after that they'll say that the police are never their protecting them...

 

[Sciolist]

The same thing is happening in Cincinnati.

story link

excerpts: "Arrests are down 35 percent compared with May and June a year ago" and ".......a result of an unofficial work slowdown by Cincinnati officers angry about what they see as a lack of support from City Hall and concerned about the increasing scrutiny brought by a new evaluation system the administration is testing."

Interesting that this is happening in more than one place.

 

[glenn1]

Quote from the article Sciolist linked:



<< This week, officers found this cautionary message in their Fraternal Order of Police newsletter, written by President Keith Fangman:

?If you want to make 20 traffic stops a shift and chase every dope dealer you see, you go right ahead,? he wrote. ?Just remember that if something goes wrong, or you make the slightest mistake in that split second, it could result in having your worst nightmare come true for you and your family, and City Hall will sell you out.? >>



Wow :Q not good at all... and perhaps that has something to do with this story

 

[goshdarnindie]

This has been in NYC for over a year now. Can't wait for the rev. jessie jackson and al sharpton to get on their bloated high horse to attack this new phenomenon.

 

[classy]

I am glad. They need to stop just going to black neighborhoods looking to arrest somebody if they look suspicious. Yea I know they have some serious crime, but some of the police stuff is out of hand. And in Cincinnati that is a disgrace. Since 1996 19 men had been shot and killed. 17 of them were black. When the riots broke out that had been the fourth black man shot and killed in less than 5 months. I don't care what color they are. I found that disturbing that many people had been shot and killed period. What made it even more disturbing is Cincinnnati is not even one of the top cities for crime. Out of the 19 killed only one was white the other was hispanic.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< thats rediculuose >>

It's ridiculous, too.

It has to be understood that no matter what police officers do, there will be a large group of people who are going to complain about it, no matter what. Police should bust people for their crimes and not worry about being accused of profiling. I think it's possible to tell the difference between profiling and legitimate suspects for legitimate reasons.

 

[Amused]

<< I am glad. They need to stop just going to black neighborhoods looking to arrest somebody if they look suspicious. Yea I know they have some serious crime, but some of the police stuff is out of hand. And in Cincinnati that is a disgrace. Since 1996 19 men had been shot and killed. 17 of them were black. When the riots broke out that had been the fourth black man shot and killed in less than 5 months. I don't care what color they are. I found that disturbing that many people had been shot and killed period. What made it even more disturbing is Cincinnnati is not even one of the top cities for crime. Out of the 19 killed only one was white the other was hispanic. >>



Where do you get your numbers? It's 15 blacks since 1995. 10 of those were armed with a gun and either pointed it at, or shot at police. The rest were armed with lesser deadly weapons, including one 12 year old black kid who killed a cop with a car, and died later from gun shot wounds the dead cop inflicted before he was murdered by the kid.

CNN

 

[glenn1]

<< Since 1996 19 men had been shot and killed. 17 of them were black. When the riots broke out that had been the fourth black man shot and killed in less than 5 months. >>



Oh, so the 41 shootings in the 10 weeks since the riots (in which all but 1 of the victims were black, see

this story linked above) is preferrable?

 

[classy]

I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it?

 

[MrBond]

I read an article about this last weekend in Soldier of Fortune magazine (no comments please, it was that or &quot;Living&quot; at the newstand). While I read it with the mindset that the article was going to be extreme (even pointing out that most crime is committed by black people, which I found a little harsh), it did make valid points. One they made that was especially good was a situation where a white cop with a family would be forced to shoot black man, get charged as a racist, lose his job, and have no way to support his family. Said cop would skip over dangerous areas, or armed robbery calls to avoid being placed in that position.

SoF even predicted a rise in crime when black neighborhoods realize that they're not being policed as heavily and they become a haven for thieves and drug dealers.

Note that I read this in SoF magazine...the views will be a little extreme but they are all possible.

 

[classy]

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<< Since 1996 19 men had been shot and killed. 17 of them were black. When the riots broke out that had been the fourth black man shot and killed in less than 5 months. >>



Oh, so the 41 shootings in the 10 weeks since the riots (in which all but 1 of the victims were black, see

this story linked above) is preferrable? >>



That is talking about the gang violence which we all agree is running rampant. But if another black man shoots another black man he goes to jail if caught. But when a white officer kills a black man he goes free 99.99999999% of the time. Either by hook or crook he goes free. And here's another piece of the story that needs to brought up. This is not usual either



<< ? Forty-one shootings were reported. That compares with three such shootings a month in spring 2000. >>



Why all of suudeen they are shooting up the joint is something I can't answer.

 

[Amused]

<< I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it? >>



When you have a guy pointing a gun at you, or worse yet, shooting at you, what would you do??? When you have a 12 year old kid mowing people down with a car, then aiming for you, what would you do??? When you have a guy rushing you with a knife, what would you do???

Come on, Classy, if you have evidence these 15 shootings were not justifiable, bring it on and let's review it. However, simply suggesting wrong-doing on the part of police where no proof of such exists is ridiculous.

I do agree that the shooting that started the controversy was wrong. That does NOT mean all the others are as well.

BTW, the last five Cincinnati police officers killed in the line of duty (or every Cincinnati cop killed since 1983) were killed by black men.

 

[glenn1]

<< SoF even predicted a rise in crime when black neighborhoods realize that they're not being policed as heavily and they become a haven for thieves and drug dealers.

Note that I read this in SoF magazine...the views will be a little extreme but they are all possible. >>



Possible? It appears some folks seem to enjoy that prospect, case in point being this statement:



<< I am glad. They need to stop just going to black neighborhoods looking to arrest somebody if they look suspicious. Yea I know they have some serious crime, but some of the police stuff is out of hand. >>

 

[classy]

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<< I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it? >>



When you have a guy pointing a gun at you, or worse yet, shooting at you, what would you do??? When you have a 12 year old kid mowing people down with a car, then aiming for you, what would you do??? When you have a guy rushing you with a knife, what would you do???

Come on, Classy, if you have evidence these 15 shootings were not justifiable, bring it on and let's review it. However, simply suggesting wrong-doing on the part of police where no proof of such exists is ridiculous.

I do agree that the shooting that started the controversy was wrong. That does NOT mean all the others are as well.

BTW, the last five Cincinnati police officers killed in the line of duty (or every Cincinnati cop killed since 1983) were killed by black men. >>



That is the police versions. The police versions always seem to justify the actions. So because I wasn't there I can't say either or. But if they were all so cut and dry why would the FBI be looking into the actions of the police. Also let's not over look that this city is not even one of the more crime ridden cities. If this was murder capital Wash. DC, or Kansas City, St. Louis, or Houston, I might buy some of what the police are selling. But none of those cities seem to be having this problem with all these so called deadly confrontations and the only people ending up dead are black people. Explain that to me. Please.

 

[Amused]

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<< I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it? >>



When you have a guy pointing a gun at you, or worse yet, shooting at you, what would you do??? When you have a 12 year old kid mowing people down with a car, then aiming for you, what would you do??? When you have a guy rushing you with a knife, what would you do???

Come on, Classy, if you have evidence these 15 shootings were not justifiable, bring it on and let's review it. However, simply suggesting wrong-doing on the part of police where no proof of such exists is ridiculous.

I do agree that the shooting that started the controversy was wrong. That does NOT mean all the others are as well.

BTW, the last five Cincinnati police officers killed in the line of duty (or every Cincinnati cop killed since 1983) were killed by black men. >>



That is the police versions. The police versions always seem to justify the actions. So because I wasn't there I can't say either or. But if they were all so cut and dry why would the FBI be looking into the actions of the police. Also let's not over look that this city is not even one of the more crime ridden cities. If this was murder capital Wash. DC, or Kansas City, St. Louis, or Houston, I might buy some of what the police are selling. But none of those cities seem to be having this problem with all these so called deadly confrontations and the only people ending up dead are black people. Explain that to me. Please. >>



Classy, I asked for evidence of wrong-doing. You obviously have none, other than innuendo and baseless suspicion.

As Apu would say, &quot;thank you, come again.&quot;

 

[raven82]

I think the media plays a big role in helping the racism thing get outofhand. I think that they need to lighten up. White Cops don't go out on the street and think, &quot;I want to shoot a black guy today&quot;. They are thinking, &quot;I don't want to get shot today&quot;.

 

[Dually]

How cares what supposed role the media or some other organization plays or may not play.

Justice is supposed to be blind to everything but justice. I suggest that people and those cops start acting like it.

 

[classy]

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<< I stand corrected it was 15. But funny how all of them were justifiable? It always seems justifiable, doesn't it? >>



When you have a guy pointing a gun at you, or worse yet, shooting at you, what would you do??? When you have a 12 year old kid mowing people down with a car, then aiming for you, what would you do??? When you have a guy rushing you with a knife, what would you do???

Come on, Classy, if you have evidence these 15 shootings were not justifiable, bring it on and let's review it. However, simply suggesting wrong-doing on the part of police where no proof of such exists is ridiculous.

I do agree that the shooting that started the controversy was wrong. That does NOT mean all the others are as well.

BTW, the last five Cincinnati police officers killed in the line of duty (or every Cincinnati cop killed since 1983) were killed by black men. >>



That is the police versions. The police versions always seem to justify the actions. So because I wasn't there I can't say either or. But if they were all so cut and dry why would the FBI be looking into the actions of the police. Also let's not over look that this city is not even one of the more crime ridden cities. If this was murder capital Wash. DC, or Kansas City, St. Louis, or Houston, I might buy some of what the police are selling. But none of those cities seem to be having this problem with all these so called deadly confrontations and the only people ending up dead are black people. Explain that to me. Please. >>



Classy, I asked for evidence of wrong-doing. You obviously have none, other than innuendo and baseless suspicion.

As Apu would say, &quot;thank you, come again.&quot; >>



Wonder how fast you would use &quot;thank you and come again&quot; if black officers just started smoking white people. You would be out for blood for the first incident that happened, let alone 15 later. Look at OJ. First famous brother to be accused of murdering a white woman and white America was saying the laws needed to be changed. They forgot Juice used the same laws that guilty white folk had used to beat the rap. (I still believe he's innocent). I wonder how much of the police version you be buying then if it was reversed? Its easy to condemn when it doesn't affect you in any way. But I am still thankful. Times are changing, Soon America will be so colorful and &quot;grey&quot;, we won't have no choice but to drop the racism. When whites are more in line in terms of numbers with the rest of us, I believe and only then will America begin to move beyond racism. When the blacks become your friends and neighbors and even family members, it will stop a lot of this so called justice that many of deem proper.

 

[vi edit]

Crime will never decrease so long as cops remain strictly reactive. Historically, cops react to a crime and deal with it from there. How can a cop possibly decrease crime if the crime has already happened?

The media calls it racial profilling, minorities call it unconstitutional, I call it proactive policing. It isn't until cops start actually going proactive and looking for crime that you will see crime rates dropping.

Higher crime and no cops, or lower crime with cops in the neighborhood? Choose one.

 

[UnixFreak]

This is another case of state-instituted racism, disguised as being just the opposite. This is one of the ways people perpetuate racism, and further an agenda, while appearing they are trying to solve the problem. Doesnt anyone realize this? I think welfare is racist too, but for this subject, This policy on racial profiling creates the following scenario (and it is playing out before our very eyes)

Police are required to file reports of the race of people they deal with. If they work in a predominantly black neighborhood, they deal with many blacks. Same with whites (though not a problem, according to the program) latinos, etc. The police in tuscogee are going to deal with a different set of people than police in South Central Los Angeles. (though the program does not recognize this).

The police officers are afraid of being labeled a &quot;racist&quot; so they look the other way on certian incidents, and are careful about who they talk to. The local crack dealer Tyrone, no longer gets those unnerving visits from the police, trying to catch him with drugs. He runs free. The police officers resent this fact, and in turn, veiw other races a bit more negatively than before. The frustration of letting tyrone deal drugs to children, produces hostility towards tryrone, and often, his race in general.

The result is, not only are blacks, latinos, and others, run free to what they want, which ultimately ends in people killing each other, and other self-destruction, but also, it shapes the veiw of others. Other citizens, such as ourselves, see more of the &quot;bad seeds&quot; of a certian race, doing bad things, and getting away with it. This in itself increases the bad perception of these races, furthering the racist agenda. Also, the police officers view of these criminals is negatively affected. So, eventually, we could see mass self-destructions, and tame &quot;race wars&quot; within our society, all from a program that disguises itself as helping minorities... think about it.

 

[vi edit]

The reason that OJ is free is because the media had a field day with the labled &quot;racist&quot; Mark Furhman, as well as a incredibly poorly handled evidence table.

 

[LordMaul]

Classy: Oh yeah, OJ GOT OFF SCOTT FREE!

 

[murdock2525]

Crime will never decrease so long as cops remain strictly reactive. Historically, cops react to a crime and deal with it from there. How can a cop possibly decrease crime if the crime has already happened?


By shooting the perpetrator so his public defender cannot get him released to do a repeat performance ???

 

[classy]

I call it proactive policing

LOL, Now that is a good one.

Unix two things. One whether you know this or not, there are more whites that recieve welfare assistance than any other race in America. The percentages of other races are higher, but for sheer numbers, there are more whites on welfare than any other. I don't think racial profiling was instituted to help minorities.

The one arguement I put forth is it is clear there is an over amount of policing of races. This stuff is just not happening in the black neighborhoods. Its happening everywhere to blacks and minorities.