Race, genetics, and crime

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And for you to post that black men should be experimented on is just disgusting. There have been many posters who have been banned for so much less.
 

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Keep in mind that poor blacks being convicted of crimes at a higher rate DOES NOT imply that poor blacks COMMIT crimes at a higher rate. It's not always, 100% of the time the case or anything, but there's a substantial history of racism in the US judicial system going back hundreds of years.

For much of the late 1800s, for example, Virginia had a huge spike in convictions of "violent black criminals" getting death sentences, because the state officials wanted to keep down embarrassing lynching numbers like the other Southern states had at the time, so they just whipped anyone stepping out of line through the judicial system at a breakneck speed. If you look at the stats from then, you might say, "look how violent and evil these black men were, they're 500% more likely to commit a death sentence-worthy crime!" Meanwhile, the true murderers were the lynch mobs and the judges backing them.

As I said, that doesn't explain away everything, but ongoing racism in sentencing, law construction, and various other aspects of our justice system are very much a real thing, just not as blatant. And that's just ONE possible alternate source of causation.
 

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This is true.

For more information about that I offer up this interesting TED talk about income inequality and the incidences of unfavorable conditions in societies. In short the more income inequality that there is in a society the more homicides, instances of obesity, imprisonment and other undesirable effects.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

It would be interesting to find out how much of these ills on society are really due to genetics. And how much they are wishful thinking by people who are afraid of a heterogeneous society and fear diversity while they ignore real societal problems.

What if we just start calling "income inequality" instead "income heterogeneity"?

But of course then we would have to ask the obvious question of why a heterogeneous society would produce income homogeneity?
 

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So lets recap,

Black men are stronger, faster, and just better physically genetically. Which would explain why black men have become such a desire of other races of women. Women are designed to submit to a more powerful alpha male. And our only flaw is our lack of self control. But when controlled, we are the dominant, perfect male species.

:)

Well it would certainly explain why there has been one white NFL running back to rush for more than 1000 yards in the last 25 years, while 16 black running backs accomplished the same feat in just the past season.

Or maybe this is due to racism of the NFL's owners? :confused:
 

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What if we just start calling "income inequality" instead "income heterogeneity"?

But of course then we would have to ask the obvious question of why a heterogeneous society would produce income homogeneity?

Why don't you make a valid point without deflection or is that too difficult for you?

The poor in the U.S. are not one homogeneous group at all.
 
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Well it would certainly explain why there has been one white NFL running back to rush for more than 1000 yards in the last 25 years, while 16 black running backs accomplished the same feat in just the past season.

Or maybe this is due to racism of the NFL's owners? :confused:

I get it, we are BETTER THAN YOU. Now what?
 

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Why don't you make a valid point without deflection or is that too difficult for you?

The poor in the U.S. are not one homogeneous group at all.

Which is exactly the point I am making. You are expecting a heterogeneous group to produce homogeneous results.
 

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Well it would certainly explain why there has been one white NFL running back to rush for more than 1000 yards in the last 25 years, while 16 black running backs accomplished the same feat in just the past season.

Or maybe this is due to racism of the NFL's owners? :confused:

Bron vs Intelligents?

Elites-

Blacks
Mike tyson
Muhamid ali

Whites
Chuck norris
Frank dukes

Asians
Bruce lee
Jet li

what race would win if the best were put together to fight one on one?

Who knows.
 

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What is your point?

Black people have clearly demonstrated athletic superiority. Should I start calling you a black supremacist for saying that?

Now don't start bitching now that tables are turned. The truth is if we control our anger gene, lol, we are the better male species. That's what I read when I read his studies, whites are inferior to blacks in the physical aspect and when not out of control, would be a better match for women.
 

momeNt

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A lot of people can't handle race-realism apparently.

We have opened up in the last 20 or so years about human sexuality, and most people freely discuss things concerning homosexuality and no longer whisper "he/she is gay" but we many still have a phobia concerning the discussion of race.

Geo I applaud you for putting yourself out there, the ridicule is not deserved, but it is to be expected when you are a pioneer of bringing a much needed discussion to the forefront of our intellects. Bravo.
 

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Now don't start bitching now that tables are turned. The truth is if we control our anger gene, lol, we are the better male species. That's what I read when I read his studies, whites are inferior to blacks in the physical aspect and when not out of control, would be a better match for women.

That is why I said. I never disputed that point.
 

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A lot of people can't handle race-realism apparently.

We have opened up in the last 20 or so years about human sexuality, and most people freely discuss things concerning homosexuality and no longer whisper "he/she is gay" but we many still have a phobia concerning the discussion of race.

Geo I applaud you for putting yourself out there, the ridicule is not deserved, but it is to be expected when you are a pioneer of bringing a much needed discussion to the forefront of our intellects. Bravo.

Man f*** you...................

If a single gene could offer some explanation as to why African-Americans commit roughly five times as many violent crimes per capita as whites, wouldn’t studying it—and how to treat it—potentially save countless lives and deserve a Nobel Prize?


So you applaud a mfer who suggests experimenting on blacks......................................
 

Charles Kozierok

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Geo I applaud you for putting yourself out there, the ridicule is not deserved, but it is to be expected when you are a pioneer of bringing a much needed discussion to the forefront of our intellects. Bravo.

It would be if he were actually making valid points and arguments. So far, he's spent more time working on his persecution complex than his positions.
 

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This is bs..............................
It really is.........................................
 

Whiskey16

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A lot of people can't handle race-realism apparently.
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Geo I applaud you for putting yourself out there, the ridicule is not deserved, but it is to be expected when you are a pioneer of bringing a much needed discussion to the forefront of our intellects. Bravo.
Stormfront is here.

Putrid lies and prejudicial racism is tolerated and fostered.

The current atmosphere attracts the extremists as rotting meat to flies. The stench increasingly keeps the reasonable away.

I fathom a guess that current advertisers will also choose with their wallet.
 

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So you applaud a mfer who suggests experimenting on blacks......................................

Damn those white* scientists who study how to treat sickle-cell anemia. Why can't they just leave a brother alone... am I right?
 

momeNt

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Damn those white* scientists who study how to treat sickle-cell anemia. Why can't they just leave a brother alone... am I right?

This. Race is still a very sensitive subject, but eventually it will give way to reason.
 

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Damn those white* scientists who study how to treat sickle-cell anemia. Why can't they just leave a brother alone... am I right?

M*** they are not experimenting on blacks to change them, they try to treat a known problem, not experiment to try alter a black person's makeup because they think they are broken..........................


God damn what I would fucking give................................
 

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Now don't start bitching now that tables are turned. The truth is if we control our anger gene, lol, we are the better male species. That's what I read when I read his studies, whites are inferior to blacks in the physical aspect and when not out of control, would be a better match for women.

Balone, as the other guy stated about athleticness when theres more running back blacks who out shined whites...wouldent that just impliment they are better at running? That dosent cover the intire word of athletic.

Size/Athletic propertys nor race can determine whos superior, if so why did this happen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOx9vRVVRQI

When in reality Experince fighting trumps athleticness almost every time Ufc gracie family proved that years ago.

Blacks cant swim for shit, I have tons of black friendos an majorityly cant even basic swim let alone handle our sets of waves we have in hawaii, let alone compete in variety of aquatic sports such as free diving, surfing, canoe paddling all things your average or poor athletic Hawaiian would be equal to the most elite aquatic black fully fit sports-men.

An whats this about women wants? Its a human thing not a race thing...if so why does the record sized man hood title belong to a white man? An what physical aspect are you talking about? In terms muscle look appeal or raw strength, because Arnold had won multiple awards in the muscle aspect let alone every year I watch the strong man competition an see squat of any blacks on there, they consist of european not african as always the top 10.

Inelligents speaks for its self, africa still lives the life majorityly of the cave man life style, while europe as in places like germany have the most advance technology known to man with also head liner people who are known globealy as the smartest men ever lived like albert einstien, ben franklin an thomas eddison. Which if it were really a superiorty in terms sexual pleasure, why does china have almost 5,000 to every 1 african, they reproduce via have sex...more than any race on earth, not incorperating any dents of Bi-black in there chinese head count to make any notice at all.

Theres no such thing as a race thats superior in the intire meaning of athleticness because there are to many catagories, an frankly blacks perform less than medicore in the intire aspect of uhhh? The olymics...winning Gold in some sports, but winning gold in every sport?

Never happening.
 
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M*** they are not experimenting on blacks to change them, they try to treat a known problem, not experiment to try alter a black person's makeup because they think they are broken..........................


God damn what I would fucking give................................

Now now control the blackness...:sneaky:
 

Charles Kozierok

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Okay, having already convinced you to remove your IQ claims in record time, and shown that testosterone levels themselves don't necessarily mean anything, let's choose another of your claims and pick it apart.

The Thug Gene (Taki's Magazine)

Let's start with credentials and credibility.

"Taki's Magazine" is not a scientific journal, nor even a place where serious scientific discussion takes place. It's basically a right-wing blog.

Anyone know what it's biggest claim to fame is? A racist screed written by John Derbyshire that got him fired from his position at the National Review.

Next, the author, Walter Ward. What are his credentials? Well, I can't find anything about him online because there are a whole bunch of other Walter Wards who are apparently more noteworthy. So, I checked his profile at Taki's Magazine, and here's what I found:

Walter Ward is a retired biology teacher. He lives in Florida and has eight grand children.
That's it. That's the whole thing.

And.. this is the only article he's written there.

So... we have an article written by a nobody published on a nobody blog.

Why does this matter? Simple: because the entire article is based on studies that the author quotes but that are impossible for us to read ourselves unless we pay for access to them. This means, we have to rely on this person's honesty and ability to interpret detailed scientific journals in making his claims.

And sorry, but I won't.

Next, the (alleged) reasoning:

Then came a flood of follow-up research, and MAOA was relabeled the “warrior gene.” A pair of 2008 studies found that a certain type of MAOA (2-repeat allele) doubles a person’s rate of violence (without factoring child abuse into the equation). This allele is less powerful than Brunner syndrome but far more common.
Problem here: the "warrior gene" article goes to a piece from Brown that doesn't say anything about specific incidences of violence. Where does that claim come from? We don't know. We're supposed to trust the retired biology teacher.


Continuing...


A small number of genes such as MAOA greatly influence societal problems.
Woah, woah there big fella. "Greatly influence societal problems"? Even if there are genetic differences between blacks and whites with respect to specific genetic markers, where is the proof that this "greatly influences societal problems"?

Talk about begging the question.

Next up...
Consider a 2010 study5 that researched African-American men and five violence genes, concluding that a crude genetic index of these genes predicted adult violence and criminality more accurately than a detailed measure of the men’s childhood relationships with their mothers.
Again, a reference to a study that I can't read for myself. However, in trying to find it, I discovered this interesting bit that suggests the author of the study in question isn't too keen on answering questions about it.

And the crowning idiocy of this article:

This line of research could reinforce unfair judgments that all black men are dangerous, but most black men do not have said allele; they merely have it at a rate ten times higher than white men do.
Yes, that's what went through my mind the first time I read this. But I'm not the author! So what is the author saying here? That he doesn't know? If he doesn't know, then how can he possibly know whether this is indeed an important factor in understanding what he calls "the black male thug"? If he does know the numbers, why isn't he telling us what they are?


Another swing-and-a-miss, Geo. You're still batting .000 in my book.
 

Whiskey16

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Blacks cant swim for shit...
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Inelligents speaks for its self, africa still lives the life majorityly of the cave man life style, while europe as in places like germany have the most advance technology known to man with also head liner people who are known globealy as the smartest men ever lived...
Yes, flies to rotting meat.

Silver Prime is tallied into the ever increasing and bigoted and supremacist crowd at AnandTech.

Guys, these individuals are not present for rational and honest talk as that will deter their putrid racial/ethnic/religious supremacist agenda.
 

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Yes, flies to rotting meat.

Silver Prime is tallied into the ever increasing and bigoted and supremacist crowd at AnandTech.

Guys, these individuals are not present for rational and honest talk as that will deter their putrid racial/ethnic/religious supremacist agenda.

You dont say?
 

classy

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Balone, as the other guy stated about athleticness when theres more running back blacks who out shined whites...wouldent that just impliment they are better at running? That dosent cover the intire word of athletic.

Size/Athletic propertys nor race can determine whos superior, if so why did this happen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOx9vRVVRQI

When in reality Experince fighting trumps athleticness almost every time Ufc gracie family proved that years ago.

Blacks cant swim for shit, I have tons of black friendos an majorityly cant even basic swim let alone handle our sets of waves we have in hawaii, let alone compete in variety of aquatic sports such as free diving, surfing, canoe paddling all things your average or poor athletic Hawaiian would be equal to the most elite aquatic black fully fit sports-men.

An whats this about women wants? Its a human thing not a race thing...if so why does the record sized man hood title belong to a white man? An what physical aspect are you talking about? In terms muscle look appeal or raw strength, because Arnold had won multiple awards in the muscle aspect let alone every year I watch the strong man competition an see squat of any blacks on there, they consist of european not african as always the top 10.

Inelligents speaks for its self, africa still lives the life majorityly of the cave man life style, while europe as in places like germany have the most advance technology known to man with also head liner people who are known globealy as the smartest men ever lived like albert einstien, ben franklin an thomas eddison. Which if it were really a superiorty in terms sexual pleasure, why does china have almost 5,000 to every 1 african, they reproduce via have sex...more than any race on earth, not incorperating any dents of Bi-black in there chinese head count to make any notice at all.

Theres no such thing as a race thats superior in the intire meaning of athleticness because there are to many catagories, an frankly blacks perform less than medicore in the intire aspect of uhhh? The olymics...winning Gold in some sports, but winning gold in every sport?

Never happening.

You are ignoring history. In any sport where there is strong black presence, blacks have without question been dominate. That's the truth. Arnold was the man, but the greatest bodybuilder many would say of all time was Sergio Olivia. Goes show how much you know about bodybuilding, in his prime he was considered unbeatable.

Oliva then went on to win the Mr. Olympia title three years in a row, at 5 feet 10 inches and at a contest weight that went from 235lbs up to his most massive at 255lbs. Oliva's 1968 Mr Olympia win was uncontested. A guiness World Record to this day. In 1969 he won his 3rd consecutive Mr Olympia beating a two time Professional Mr Universe winner Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold tells of their first encounter in his 1977 autobiography Arnold the Education of a Bodybuilder. "Then for the first time, I saw Sergio Oliva in person. I understood why they called him the Myth. It was as jarring, as if I'd walked into a wall. He destroyed me. He was so huge, he was so fantastic, there was no way I could even think of beating him. I admitted my defeat and felt some of my pump go away. I tried. But I'd been so taken back by my first sight of Sergio Oliva that I think I settled for 2nd place before we walked out on the stage... I never like to admit defeat, but I thought Sergio was better. There were no two ways about it."[4] However, Schwarzenegger won his first Mr. Olympia title by edging the Myth the following year with a score of 4-3 when Joe Weider switched judges at the very last minute. Oliva was banned from competing in the 1971 IFBB Mr Olympia because he competed in the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. This was extremely controversial because Schwarzeneggger had competed for this very same contest the year before and without Sergio being a 3 time Olympia winner to challenge Arnold, many felt that the contest was fixed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Oliva

Oh being a avid weightlifter myself, I totally dig Arnold, but prime on prime, no match.
 
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