JEDIYoda
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Why are some of you beating that dead horse when I have explicatedly denied I have a drop of Palestinian blood.
But if some of you crazies who think I do think I have Palestinian blood will pool a pot of $10,000.00, I will be happy to match you. And let a professional ancestry expert settle the question. Winner take all.
But I can only trace my ancestry back to 3.5 generations of Scandinavians from Denmark, Finland, and maybe Sweden. But for what its worth my gentile grandfather from Denmark married into a Jewish family in America, that too is zero evidence I have Palestinian blood unless you are willing to go back 1800 years. After all, 1800 years ago Jews and Palestinians were both a Semitic race and still are.
Do I have any takers? If not, put up or shut up JEDIYoda.
Sorry I just asked a question. I don't follow all your disputes with JediYoda so I wasn't aware you denied it in the past. (And not that there's anything shameful about having Palestinian "blood.")
But frequently when people are obsessed with a topic like you and Yoda they tend to have a horse in the race. Am I wrong in assuming Yoda is Jewish? Jews and evangelical Christians are usually the biggest defenders of Israel. And usually the biggest defenders of Palestine are muslims or palestinians. Nothing wrong with that but I'm just saying...
Freshgeardude
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talking about putting up, I still have not heard you agree to my wager?
Put up or shut up.
Now as for the OP:
No one denies there are extremists in the world. There are jews out there that dont even want israel to exist because they want to wait for the messiah to come.
The difference here lies in the first sentence of that article
people are angry. people are complaining. i didnt fully read the rest of the article, but others in the thread here said the israeli government was monitoring the readers.
that is the single difference between jewish and islamic extremists.
Jews (majority) realize their extremists are wrong. Islams (majority) do not think it is wrong.
The jews who support these radical agendas get just as much news time as islams that are AGAINST the extremists.
most islamic people want the radical ways, but realize it is largely unattainable in this day and age
You have to remember, in islam, its either 'all in' or 'death to the infidel'
Lemon law
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Talk about biased and we get FGD saying. "Jews (majority) realize their extremists are wrong. Islams (majority) do not think it is wrong.
The jews who support these radical agendas get just as much news time as islams that are AGAINST the extremists.
most islamic people want the radical ways, but realize it is largely unattainable in this day and age"
I could start out asking FGD where he got these statistical polls he cites from the Muslim world.? But I think we all know the answer, he gets it from Israeli propaganda and the murky depts of his own imagination.
Or we can look at it another way, there is talk and then there is action. And the true measure of sincerity is in the deeds and not words. Has the Israeli government officially condemned the book in question? That is a no. Does the book in question do a fairly good job of describing Israeli settlement policy? That to too great of an extent is a yes.
The jews who support these radical agendas get just as much news time as islams that are AGAINST the extremists.
most islamic people want the radical ways, but realize it is largely unattainable in this day and age"
I could start out asking FGD where he got these statistical polls he cites from the Muslim world.? But I think we all know the answer, he gets it from Israeli propaganda and the murky depts of his own imagination.
Or we can look at it another way, there is talk and then there is action. And the true measure of sincerity is in the deeds and not words. Has the Israeli government officially condemned the book in question? That is a no. Does the book in question do a fairly good job of describing Israeli settlement policy? That to too great of an extent is a yes.
JEDIYoda
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Freshgeardude
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of their own citzens? no.
israeli citzens live well with lots of freedoms that the people of gaza could only wish they could have.
Israel DEFENDS (hence the name Israeli Defense Forces) its citizens.
How do you defend your citizens from those who want to kill you, and dont care if they die in the process?
If your answer is violence and oppression, then sure, thats what they do to DEFEND their citizens.
feralkid
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My statistic is that there is NO islamic condemnation of its own extremists.
and lol you think I care what they say in shariah law countries? They support the extremists under the table, if they arent extremists themselves.
The israeli government watches the people that read it. why would they want to do that for shits and giggles?
Oh because they want to learn the way of the book without officially reading it themselves.
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Are you sure about that? Weren't Islamic countries the first to condemn the 9/11 terrorist attacks, as well as countless other terrorist atrocities?
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Hayabusa Rider
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I don't remember you, yet here you are.
Now are you saying that it didn't happen? 'Cuz if you are, try Google News.
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As you probably realized I was picking apart an absolutist statement. To answer your question some were glad we were attacked, but it wasn't universal. Most noteworthy were the Iranian people who were out demonstrating in support of the US. That was of course before the "Axis" speech.
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im not saying it didnt happen, im saying its not mainstream.
you dont hear about these things on TV or even the popular local news channels.
its a corner of the internet news website saying information probably 500 if that ever see
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Its hard to argue with FGD pointing out, "israeli citzens live well with lots of freedoms that the people of gaza could only wish they could have."
And Gaza citizens live poorly because Israel stole their land, herded them into a Gaza concentration camps, and totally embargoes their economy.
Of course they were in the same boat before Hamas took over in 2005, and unless there is some sort of peace settlement, it will be the same Israeli made hell hole regardless if Hamas, Fatah, or the most non violent of rulers rules.
And Gaza citizens live poorly because Israel stole their land, herded them into a Gaza concentration camps, and totally embargoes their economy.
Of course they were in the same boat before Hamas took over in 2005, and unless there is some sort of peace settlement, it will be the same Israeli made hell hole regardless if Hamas, Fatah, or the most non violent of rulers rules.
JEDIYoda
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Actually Narmer NO they were not the first to condemn the 9/11 attacks!!
But they were the first to dance and party in the streets in support of the 9/11 attackers....go figure!!
JEDIYoda
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My contention all along is the Palestinians are there own worse enemys......they according to you in previous posts elected Hamas; via a democratic election into office.
Now you state that Hamas just up and took over!?!?!
We what is it were they elected or did they stuff the ballot box or something...lolol
Lemon law
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Of course JEDIYoda wants to believe that its all the Palestinians fault, its such a good way to deny Israel is the real Palestinian enemy and oppressor.
And no Hamas did not per say just take over, they won a free and fair election in 2005. And point granted, then violently expelled Fatah elements in the same way Fatah violently expelled Hamas in the West Bank.
Which means, for the time being, the Palestinian people, for the last five of the past 62 years are effectively split into to camps. Hamas in Gaza believes that Israel, based on its prior 57 year history is not to be trusted and thus violent opposition is not to be ruled out as a tactic. Fatah in the West Bank is willing o try non-violence even though non violence has not worked for 62 years as a Palestinian strategy.
Thus both violence and non violence is being tried, and unless Israel rewards the Palestinians in the West Bank, which Israel has thus far failed to do, it invalidates Israeli rhetoric because Israel evidently does intend to hang on to disputed land it has no legitimate claim to.
But as long as Israel engages in current peace talks, and extends the settlement freeze, Israel has a chance to prove Hamas has the wrong strategy.
Freshgeardude
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israel didnt steal their land. israel made peace with egypt in exchange for the sinai penn and allowed israel to keep the shithole of gaza.
AND
Israel wouldnt be blockading and embargoing the gaza strip if hamas didnt attack israel's civilians.
Fatah and the west bank has an economy, thanks to denouncing violence as a means to get what they want.
AND
Hamas, without a doubt in my mind, took away more freedoms from the gaza people then israel did.
Hey look, hamas is killing people at a wedding in 2007 because they raise fatah flags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvEDj7MweBs
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Don't duck the question FGD, by saying, "israel didnt steal their land. israel made peace with egypt in exchange for the sinai penn and allowed israel to keep the shithole of gaza."
Not only did Israel steal Palestinian land, the issue of Egypt being bribed by the USA is totally external to any Palestinian issues. The Sinai desert can't grow a weed may be important to Egypt to only Egypt, but it addresses no Palestinian issues, nor does the disputed lands still retained by Israel address any Lebanese and Syrian issues.
That facts is and remains, if Uncle Sammy quits bribing Egypt and Jordan, the Mr. Rogers its a beautiful day in the mid-east neighborhood could turn decidedly anti-Israeli world wide.
Its simply why the stakes are so high on extending the Israeli settlement freeze.
Not only did Israel steal Palestinian land, the issue of Egypt being bribed by the USA is totally external to any Palestinian issues. The Sinai desert can't grow a weed may be important to Egypt to only Egypt, but it addresses no Palestinian issues, nor does the disputed lands still retained by Israel address any Lebanese and Syrian issues.
That facts is and remains, if Uncle Sammy quits bribing Egypt and Jordan, the Mr. Rogers its a beautiful day in the mid-east neighborhood could turn decidedly anti-Israeli world wide.
Its simply why the stakes are so high on extending the Israeli settlement freeze.
SandEagle
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Hayabusa Rider said:
he pretends to be a 17 year old kid. no kid is this interested in bs politics
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2086664
lulz
Freshgeardude
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i dont need to hide the fact im 17. and yes that is me.
if you cant handle the fact a 17 year old knows more on politics than you, i suggest you leave
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