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Slomo4shO said:
Isn't the Titan the 780 Ti? Honestly, how are you going to fill the nonexistent performance gap between the 780 and Titan with a 3rd product? And what exactly is the dual purpose of the Titan?

Also, if AMD prices the 290 as $500 then there is also a large gap between the 280X and 290 in AMDs lineup.
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Neither Titan nor 780 are fully enabled GK110, the Titan dual purpose is its DP, in which you downclock to get full DP, 780 has this stripped out..Its very name excludes it from the gaming card range. A fully enabled 780 (Ti) with stripped DP could take the place of the current 780 price bracket, allowing NV to market a card in the vacuum that is $400 to $650...just a thought.

If AMD price the 290 at $500, its a different price range to the 280 at $300?
 
SolMiester said:
If AMD price the 290 at $500, its a different price range to the 280 at $300?
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The MSRP will be more than $500 (I tend to believe the pricing on the e-tailer place holders as we get closer), but due to limited supply, market forces will push them a little higher at first.
 
SolMiester said:
Neither Titan nor 780 are fully enabled GK110, the Titan dual purpose is its DP, in which you downclock to get full DP, 780 has this stripped out..Its very name excludes it from the gaming card range. A fully enabled 780 (Ti) with stripped DP could take the place of the current 780 price bracket, allowing NV to market a card in the vacuum that is $400 to $650...just a thought.

If AMD price the 290 at $500, its a different price range to the 280 at $300?
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It's called Geforce GTX Titan. Geforce and GTX are game card designations.
 
SolMiester said:
Neither Titan nor 780 are fully enabled GK110, the Titan dual purpose is its DP, in which you downclock to get full DP, 780 has this stripped out..Its very name excludes it from the gaming card range. A fully enabled 780 (Ti) with stripped DP could take the place of the current 780 price bracket, allowing NV to market a card in the vacuum that is $400 to $650...just a thought.

If AMD price the 290 at $500, its a different price range to the 280 at $300?
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I'm still looking for a plausible scenario in which you need DP but not ECC memory.
 
3DVagabond said:
It's called Geforce GTX Titan. Geforce and GTX are game card designations.
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When it was released, it was stated that its outside the gaming designations on purpose. Its the only card that I recall without a reference number...whether or not it has a Geforce tag IIRC
 
SolMiester said:
When it was released, it was stated that its outside the gaming designations on purpose. Its the only card that I recall without a reference number...whether or not it has a Geforce tag IIRC
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All I'm saying is that it's a gaming card. Simply leaving the DP intact doesn't make it something more. AMD leaves the DP intact on their cards too, they aren't all of a sudden Firepro alternatives though.
 
3DVagabond said:
All I'm saying is that it's a gaming card. Simply leaving the DP intact doesn't make it something more. AMD leaves the DP intact on their cards too, they aren't all of a sudden Firepro alternatives though.
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I dont claim to have the answer, however Firepro doesnt do CUDA, and Titan is a beast for CUDA programming from my understanding, which Kepler had removed..<shrug>
 
SolMiester said:
I dont claim to have the answer, however Firepro doesnt do CUDA, and Titan is a beast for CUDA programming from my understanding, which Kepler had removed..<shrug>
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Standard GTX cards do CUDA too. CUDA is not Titan/Quadro/Tesla only.

I personally feel the Titan is a gaming card (hence the GTX in its name), but it does work for the pro market as well.

But there is no room between the 780 and the Titan for a 780Ti. If they want to release a 780Ti, they need to have a new Titan. The current Titan becomes the 780Ti, and the current 780 drops in price.
 
Having full DP without ECC is fine for experimentation and alpha testing. You do not get workstation drivers nor ECC (a feature most companies would want for production GPGPU) with Titan. Titan is not a secretly cheap Tesla, it is a cheaper way to get into CUDA DP-heavy development.

Just as the 7970 (280X), and soon to arrive R9-290, are relatively cheap cards to develop DP-heavy OpenCL.
 
I don't believe they need to replace Titan, the 1/3 DP carries the premium even if they release a GTX card that is faster and cheap (Aftermarket 780s already did this months ago).
 
BallaTheFeared said:
I don't believe they need to replace Titan, the 1/3 DP carries the premium even if they release a GTX card that is faster and cheap (Aftermarket 780s already did this months ago).
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Why? Does it cost more to leave the 1/3 DP capability on the card? No. That is just a way for people to try and justify the ridiculous price premium Titan carries.
 
Vesku said:
Having full DP without ECC is fine for experimentation and alpha testing. You do not get workstation drivers nor ECC (a feature most companies would want for production GPGPU) with Titan. Titan is not a secretly cheap Tesla, it is a cheaper way to get into CUDA DP-heavy development.

Just as the 7970 (280X), and soon to arrive R9-290, are relatively cheap cards to develop DP-heavy OpenCL.
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People have no clue of what it would cost if an error is made
in some differential equations with high initial condition sensitivity
when computing the response of a dynamic system , a bridge
resistance to earthquake or vibrations for instance...

Using non certified gear for such calculations is close
to criminal behaviour and undoubtly as unprofessional
as it possibly could be...
 
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I hope someone out there doesnt get the memo on the NDA change date and goes ahead on publishing their review.

I can dream right?
 
SolMiester said:
I thought it had an impact on the speed the GPU could obtain?
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I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were talking monetary cost, not performance. I believe the reason Titan is clocked lower with DP fully active is for stability because compute apps. run the GPU at or close to it's maximum continuously, where games don't.
 
Don't you think AMD has switched it from the 15th to the 24th to the 31st to the 18th? Yeah I'd guess they are covering all the bases. (videocardz that is)

Maybe they are giving everyone different dates so they can ferret out the leaks.
 
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