R9 290X - A Card AIBs Will Love?

[OCGuy]

Its becoming clear what AMD did with the 290x. They upped the clocks and volts more than they normally would do with newly released cards... just to beat the 780 and get into Titan territory. If they applied the same overhead room as with the 7950/7970, it would've been a rather underwhelming card.

Normally AMD puts out a much more efficient product all around. But I think it is great that they did this.....waiting for tsmc sucks.

 

[Ieat]

I said high end air, this isn't with high RPM fans. Also this solution is tall(wide?) because it is generic, you could easily make this a 3 slot solution if design for a specific card. But this solution also allows for much better cooling of memory/vrms then most coolers . Also you would likely get multiple GPU's of life from it, look at the compatibility list:

http://www.prolimatech.com/en/products/detail.asp?id=1672&subid=1675#showtab

What do you mean by bend into 5th slot? its weight is 600grams, its nowhere near as heavy as water cooling.

the issue with water..... well it requires a full water setup.

In every pic with it installed you see it sagging down to occupy a 5th slot.

http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/MK-26-V2-6.jpg
http://chlodzenie.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Prolimatech-MK-26-Platforma-testowa_1-576x581.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/...pcx500/prolimatech fans/mk-26_zps06d564fe.jpg

 

[GaiaHunter]

Do we know when AMD will allow the overvolting?

What do you mean?

 

[Arkadrel]

Oh, I also just noticed that W1z said the power delta was actually closer to 250W than 200W. I know with better cooling you can save a little wattage, say 25-50W, but even so, 200W for less than 9% performance gain seems silly to me. I am not saying it is a bad card at all, just that the GPU is already being pushed so hard, so I don't see what AIBs will love about it based on OP's charts.

However, AIBs may indeed love 290X for a completely different reason: price/performance. Since the card is soundly beating comparable NV cards' price/perf, maybe AIBs will "love" how they have plenty of room between $549 and $999 to work with... there will doubtlessly be some people who buy non-reference 290X's priced somewhere between $549 and $999. But AIBs "loving" the 290X just because it ekes out a little more performance for 200-250 more watts? Nah.

Look at that the 290x uses 38! watts more than a Titan!!!
omg thats soooo much more.

I bet with non ref. cooling card out soon you ll see that number go down like 20watts or so.

 

[OCGuy]

Look at that the 290x uses 38! watts more than a Titan!!!
omg thats soooo much more.

I bet with non ref. cooling card out soon you ll see that number go down like 20watts or so.

Average? No thanks. When you are maxing out PCI spec at stock clocks, high is more important than average.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Average? No thanks. When you are maxing out PCI spec at stock clocks, high is more important than average.

Because?

The R290X isn't maxing the PCIE spec at stock. The PCIE is 300W.

 

[OCGuy]

Because?

The R290X isn't maxing the PCIE spec at stock. The PCIE is 300W.

If I have to explain why average is disingenuous at best.....

Front page of AT review has typical board usage at around 300w.

 

[Silverforce11]

Look at that the 290x uses 38! watts more than a Titan!!!
omg thats soooo much more.

I bet with non ref. cooling card out soon you ll see that number go down like 20watts or so.

It really shows on Quiet mode the card is too damn hot and it uses more power.. in Uber mode with higher fan speed, it keeps the components cooler and so there's a reduction in power use for.. more performance. Funny isn't it?

Cant wait to grab a custom R290.

 

[Erenhardt]

If I have to explain why average is disingenuous at best.....

Front page of AT review has typical board usage at around 300w.

That means the board was designed to work with 300W. Doesn't mean power consumption is 300W. It well could be if you overclock.

 

[OCGuy]

That means the board was designed to work with 300W. Doesn't mean power consumption is 300W. It well could be if you overclock.

Did you look at page 1 in this thread? From the same review:

"Power draw also increases immensely, going from just above 400 W for the whole system to around 650 W! To conclude, I expect extreme overlclockers with access to liquid nitrogen to love this card. Everyone else will probably find voltage tuning beyond +0.05 V to be too hot and too noisy."



+200w for that oc?

 

[GaiaHunter]

If I have to explain why average is disingenuous at best.....

Front page of AT review has typical board usage at around 300w.

Front page of AT Titan review also has a TDP of 250W.

If you look 300W is unofficial TDP.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Did you look at page 1 in this thread? From the same review:

"Power draw also increases immensely, going from just above 400 W for the whole system to around 650 W! To conclude, I expect extreme overlclockers with access to liquid nitrogen to love this card. Everyone else will probably find voltage tuning beyond +0.05 V to be too hot and too noisy."



+200w for that oc?

That is with voltage increase from 1.1V to something like 1.265V.

At stock voltage of 1.1V they got 1125 MHz/6300MHz.

Dunno why someone would increase voltage by 15% to get 5% more core clock (1190 vs 1125).

What people are forgetting is the following.

The 780 is 5.8% more power efficient and the Titan is 7.9% more power efficient.

I don't see the big deal.

I know some people like to bring the GTX 480 as if now people are being strange by not bashing the R290X but lets not forget what we are talking about.

The 5870 was 66% more power efficient than the GTX 480.

66% is a order of magnitude bigger than 5.8% and 7.9%.

Heck the 6970 was 13.6% more efficient than the GTX 580 and no one bashed the GTX based on its power consumption.

 

[Grooveriding]

Those sort of increases are pretty standard. My GTX 780s with 1.3V running through them consume about 400W each as well. Not reasonable to go to those sorts of voltages unless you are water cooling. I'm sure these cards would burn up if I were air cooling and running them at the settings I have them at.

 

[OCGuy]

Those sort of increases are pretty standard. My GTX 780s with 1.3V running through them consume about 400W each as well. Not reasonable to go to those sorts of voltages unless you are water cooling. I'm sure these cards would burn up if I were air cooling and running them at the settings I have them at.

You, my friend, have large cajones. Cheers.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The thing with non-reference coolers is that even if the GPU is kept to a lower temperature, your still dissipating the same amount of heat into the case. I remember using an overclocked GTX470 with a Zalman VF3000 (66C~ at load if memory serves me right) and the components around the video card got toasty. Infact the whole case was getting toasty.

Its quite interesting that compared to using cards like GTX680 vs GTX470/480, the latter would heat up my room alot quicker.

Its summer soon here so.. this card might be less than ideal vs ice cold temps in the states due to winter. What a coincidence. Could be a nice space heater during winter for most of you guys

 

[Atreidin]

The thing with non-reference coolers is that even if the GPU is kept to a lower temperature, your still dissipating the same amount of heat into the case. I remember using an overclocked GTX470 with a Zalman VF3000 (66C~ at load if memory serves me right) and the components around the video card got toasty. Infact the whole case was getting toasty.

Its quite interesting that compared to using cards like GTX680 vs GTX470/480, the latter would heat up my room alot quicker.

Its summer soon here so.. this card might be less than ideal vs ice cold temps in the states due to winter. What a coincidence. Could be a nice space heater during winter for most of you guys

No, no you aren't. If the cooler is lowering the temps, and you keep the chip at the same voltage and frequency, there is less heat to dissipate, and everything else won't get as warm as with the reference cooler. ICs use more power when run at higher temperatures. I don't know how much of an effect it will have in this case, but 20-30W seems plausible.

 

[Erenhardt]

Well, if one is so desperate for a straw and value their ears (DAT damage!), there is solution:

**UNDER-VOLTING**

Guys it seems the current drivers / BIOS have protection built in so the card won't allow you to under-volt it by any usable amount unfortunately.

Anything below 1225mv seems to trigger protection meaning it won't load to windows desktop until you do a full power off and on.

However going from 1250mv down to 1225mv has reduced temperature by 5c under-load with no ill-effect on stability at stock speeds with the card still set at +50 power with 1000Mhz core speed always.


If this protection gets removed by later drivers/BIOS the card in theory should be able to run fine around 1150-1200mv which should be good for a good 10c+ reduction in temps over stock. Seems you can get them to run pretty cool.

Infact its turning out to be quite a fun card for the tweaker/overclocker.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25179410&postcount=217

As said before, in quiet mode this card is 1dB lauder than 780, hardly eny difference. I would guess undervolted is quieter and uses the same amount of power as 780?

AMD gives a choice to the user. You can customize your card the way you want. You can make it loud and fast fire-spitting volcano, or you go all the way to a cool&quiet (PUN?!). So many possibilities!

 

[GaiaHunter]

Well, if one is so desperate for a straw and value their ears (DAT damage!), there is solution:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25179410&postcount=217

As said before, in quiet mode this card is 1dB lauder than 780, hardly eny difference. I would guess undervolted is quieter and uses the same amount of power as 780?

AMD gives a choice to the user. You can customize your card the way you want. You can make it loud and fast fire-spitting volcano, or you go all the way to a cool&quiet (PUN?!). So many possibilities!

Hmmm?

Isn't the default voltage of the R290X 1.1v?
That is what TUP review seems to imply.

 

[krumme]

Well, if one is so desperate for a straw and value their ears (DAT damage!), there is solution:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25179410&postcount=217

As said before, in quiet mode this card is 1dB lauder than 780, hardly eny difference. I would guess undervolted is quieter and uses the same amount of power as 780?

AMD gives a choice to the user. You can customize your card the way you want. You can make it loud and fast fire-spitting volcano, or you go all the way to a cool&quiet (PUN?!). So many possibilities!

1db is the smallest difference we can perciewe. 3db is a difference we would notice as louder/lauter
10db is perciewed as a doubling of sound level.

 

[MeldarthX]

Earn already posted it so removed

 

[OCGuy]

Well, if one is so desperate for a straw and value their ears (DAT damage!), there is solution:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25179410&postcount=217

As said before, in quiet mode this card is 1dB lauder than 780, hardly eny difference. I would guess undervolted is quieter and uses the same amount of power as 780?

AMD gives a choice to the user. You can customize your card the way you want. You can make it loud and fast fire-spitting volcano, or you go all the way to a cool&quiet (PUN?!). So many possibilities!

Wow..I......

Only in this world would the most power sucking single gpu card ever... get a thread about being the most loved by AIBs. Only here would a mode that gimps your card based on fan speed be hailed as a feature.

I dont think anyone dislikes AMD.....but you have to admit it is easy to see why one has to laugh every now and then at their die-hards.

In reality I don't think most of the people posting this stuff ever have been, or ever will be in the market for a $600 video card. And I will have one on the way this afternoon. ....

 

[monkeydelmagico]

With that much upside potential it's a race to be the first card vendor to put it under water with a spec built closed loop cooler.

 

[ozzy702]

I'll be waiting for a beefy three slot, two slot exhaust card and then they can have my money for this beast. Scaling will be much better than with the 7000 series cards and should be even better than the 780. 1150-1200mhz and the 290X will simply be a nasty nasty card. AIB aftermarket cards should reduce the power consumption drastically as well.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Wow..I......

Only in this world would the most power sucking single gpu card ever... get a thread about being the most loved by AIBs. Only here would a mode that gimps your card based on fan speed be hailed as a feature.

I dont think anyone dislikes AMD.....but you have to admit it is easy to see why one has to laugh every now and then at their die-hards.

In reality I don't think most of the people posting this stuff ever have been, or ever will be in the market for a $600 video card. And I will have one on the way this afternoon. ....

looks like your the one with the agenda buddy. If you make things relative ( thus so you can compare to the past) this isn't even close to a power hungry or even hot card. People did exactly that and you haven't even addressed those points but then come in here and just rubbish it with non-specific crud.

its also ironic that 1/2 the posts in the 290x thread said i'll be waiting for AIB solutions, so again i really don't understand what your deal is. I will be waiting for AIB solutions as well. might get the 290 or 290x depends how it all comes out in the wash.

the problem is the cooler, that will be fixed in sort order. Hawaii is literally double a 7870 and its power consumption is right there as well. I don't really see what the big deal is......................

 

[SolMiester]

In every pic with it installed you see it sagging down to occupy a 5th slot.

http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/MK-26-V2-6.jpg
http://chlodzenie.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Prolimatech-MK-26-Platforma-testowa_1-576x581.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/...pcx500/prolimatech fans/mk-26_zps06d564fe.jpg

This is why i wonder there aren't many more rotated motherboard designed cases.