R9 290 series specifications

[ShintaiDK]

You do not ever admit you are wrong, do you?

Radeon R9 280X Average Clockspeeds (Reported)
Asus DCUII advertised boost clock = 1070mhz
Asus DCUII actual boost clock in all games tested by AT = 1070mhz
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx/20

Its a shame you dont even read what you link to, yet you proclaim something the article doesnt state:

We also have a quick look at clockspeeds while gaming, although there’s little to report here. Without the ability to see the intermediate clockspeeds on 280X we can only tell whether it’s boosting or not. In every game on both 280X cards, these cards are always in a boost state.

See?

AMD is offering more performance than GTX680 and is undercutting 770 by $90-150 with after-market R9 280X cards such as MSI Gaming, Asus DCUII models and so on.

There you go exaggerating numbers again. Its 90-100$. But what does nVidia ahve to do with this? Specially EOL cards.

If you are unhappy that these cards are largely re-brands, at least acknowledge that NV's cards are overpriced and NV needs to come down to earth.

Why are you so busy with nVidia?

Sorry, I don't need any help. You are 100% wrong because you are now going back and twisting all the statements you made. You are now solely focusing on a reference R9 280X and conveniently ignoring $310 after-market R9 280X, yet when we pointed out to you that no one cares about reference R9 280X cards and that after-market R9 280X cards will have equal or higher clocks and small $10-20 premiums, you made ridiculous statements about those cards costing $400 USD.

If nobody cares, why are they being sold? Factory OC cards are out of spec. I simply compare apples to apples. Standard HD7970GE to Standard R9 280X.

Because you won't admit that you were wrong, you are now focusing on 7970Ghz vs. reference R9 280X on purpose and ignoring the awful value of 770s. In a matter of weeks after-market R9 280X cards will be $299 and you'll have no argument at all. No one in their right mind will buy a reference R9 280X card when you can get 1050-1070mhz R9 280X cards with superior coolers for $10 more.

Now you are busy dragging nVidia into it again.

It's mind-boggling that when it suits one's agenda, he/she ignores the existence of after-market AMD cards, yet weeks before claims that R9 290X cards should be compared against after-market 780s in reviews. The amount of double standard is incomprehensible.

Yet you ignore nVidia after market cards too.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I just do not believe that a 21W power consumption difference is worth paying $90-150 more for a GTX770 2-4GB card over an R9 290X to make a case strong enough that GTX770's superior efficiency justifies the pricing premium.

MSI Gaming GTX770 4GB = $465
MSI Gaming GTX770 2GB = $399
vs.
MSI Gaming R9 280X 3GB = $310

It's interesting how suddenly people are bashing a $299 card with a level of performance of NV's $399-449 card but when GTX760 came out, it was hailed as a success against 7950 V2s by the same people and forced AMD to drop prices a bit. I was hoping PC gamers would actually realize that NV continues to rip them off and expect price drops from NV but instead all I am reading lately are justifications for why NV's cards should command $100-150 premiums over similarly performing AMD cards. :\

No of course that +17% efficiency is pretty much moot for just about everyone. Desktops doesnt run on battery, and electricity is cheap anyways. I was just comparing the two, since that stuff interest me, nothing more.

There is a hell lot more value with R9 280X, no doubt about that at all. Then it is up to each and one of us what they prefer from the two companies, and buy a card based on that.

$299 for 280X that is that great is a bargain. And I think Nvidia would have to lower the price or else they will lose a ton of potential customers. Personally if I were in the market for either 770 or 280X, I think I would have chosen 280X.

 

[Face2Face]

No of course that +17% efficiency is pretty much moot for just about everyone. Desktops doesnt run on battery, and electricity is cheap anyways. I was just comparing the two, since that stuff interest me, nothing more.

There is a hell lot more value with R9 280X, no doubt about that at all. Then it is up to each and one of us what they prefer from the two companies, and buy a card based on that.

$299 for 280X that is that great is a bargain. And I think Nvidia would have to lower the price or else they will lose a ton of potential customers. Personally if I were in the market for either 770 or 280X, I think I would have chosen 280X.

Good post Cloudfire777 :thumbsup:

 

[Phynaz]

Now, Im out. I have better things to do than to discuss a freaking rebrand.

You were out for 5 hours

 

[Rvenger]

No of course that +17% efficiency is pretty much moot for just about everyone. Desktops doesnt run on battery, and electricity is cheap anyways. I was just comparing the two, since that stuff interest me, nothing more.

There is a hell lot more value with R9 280X, no doubt about that at all. Then it is up to each and one of us what they prefer from the two companies, and buy a card based on that.

$299 for 280X that is that great is a bargain. And I think Nvidia would have to lower the price or else they will lose a ton of potential customers. Personally if I were in the market for either 770 or 280X, I think I would have chosen 280X.

Yep spot on.

 

[Freaksterz]

No of course that +17% efficiency is pretty much moot for just about everyone. Desktops doesnt run on battery, and electricity is cheap anyways. I was just comparing the two, since that stuff interest me, nothing more.

There is a hell lot more value with R9 280X, no doubt about that at all. Then it is up to each and one of us what they prefer from the two companies, and buy a card based on that.

$299 for 280X that is that great is a bargain. And I think Nvidia would have to lower the price or else they will lose a ton of potential customers. Personally if I were in the market for either 770 or 280X, I think I would have chosen 280X.

Too bad they wont lower their prices according to this article, http://www.anandtech.com/show/7401/nvidia-announces-gtx-660-gtx-650-ti-boost-price-cut

 

[Cloudfire777]

Too bad they wont lower their prices according to this article, http://www.anandtech.com/show/7401/nvidia-announces-gtx-660-gtx-650-ti-boost-price-cut

You know, as a guy who have been buying Nvidia GPUs for the last 8 years or so, one can`t help but feel a little bit of arrogance from Nvidia by their refusale to lower the price.
Especially now that AMD sell 7000 series dirt cheap, and these new R8 cards have had their time in the marketing spotlight.

I think Nvidia may be sitting too comfortably with their market share and their bigger margins. While AMD is on the opposite range trying to shift the table with the driver ghost which still hangs over them on this day. That a big reason why people still buy Nvidia today despite AMD sell the same hardware for less money. The articles about crossfire latency and lately, the 4K Eyefinity issues, didn`t actually help either.
Now since I`ve been using Nvidia GPUs exclusively for so long, I don`t know how their drivers fare today: if Nvidia really is that superior, but looking at performance from drivers, AMD have certainly improved greatly from earlier.

I think Nvidia charge too much because they are able to. And AMD charge too little, because thats their only option against Nvidia.

It would have been interesting to see a market reset, all past reputation and mishaps swept away and forgotten, GPUs offered roughly for the same price. I wonder what would have happend then. How would the two companies fare against each other

 

[Vesku]

Too bad they wont lower their prices according to this article, http://www.anandtech.com/show/7401/nvidia-announces-gtx-660-gtx-650-ti-boost-price-cut

"Interestingly, NVIDIA did take the time to reiterate that these are the only price cuts that are taking place. "

I can't even see the "CUDA, PhysX, SLI, Lightboost, etc." marketing being able to impart a positive spin to GTX 770 at a held steady $399 given the 7970/280x pricing. You've got to be pretty brand loyal to pay ~30% premium.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Looks like MSI R9 290X price in Europe will be 649EUR and 519EUR for R9 290.
http://videocardz.com/46558/amd-radeon-r9-290x-r9-290-european-pricing-unveiled

 

[TidusZ]

so I guess the price of performance is $600+ now instead of $300ish

everybody loses


Remember when you could buy a geforce 4 ti 4200 for $180 and overclock it to 4600 speeds (top of the line $350 card).

Now if you want something as fast as a 16-month-old 7970GHZ you have to spend $300 and if you want something high end (but far from the best) its $650.

 

[smackababy]

Looks like R9 290X price will be $649 and R9 290 $599
videocardz.com/46558/amd-radeon-r9-290x-r9-290-european-pricing-unveiled

Well, either your URL is wrong or that got removed quickly. =(

And $649 is a bit high for an R9 290x, along with the 290 being only $50 less is really stupid.

 

[Vesku]

so I guess the price of performance is $600+ now instead of $300ish

everybody loses

Hasn't helped that AMD has found more success with game bundling than their traditional price cutting. Nvidia isn't in a hurry to lower prices either it seems, both Anandtech and HardOCP say Nvidia has told them 770 pricing will stay steady for now.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Well, either your URL is wrong or that got removed quickly. =(

And $649 is a bit high for an R9 290x, along with the 290 being only $50 less is really stupid.

I edited my post.
Something went wrong when I entered the link. Works now

 

[smackababy]

I edited my post.
Something went wrong when I entered the link. Works now

Okay, that looks better now.

At $649, the 290X isn't doing AMD any favors. Even if it beats the 780 by 10%, it is almost 6 months late at the same price. Unless this thing trades blows with a Titan, I don't see it being a great buy.

A $499 290 might not be bad if it is within a 780 by 15% or so. If it trades blows with the 780, it might be worth it. Now, if only AMD could get the CF on track...

 

[Face2Face]

Looks like MSI R9 290X price in Europe will be 649EUR and 519EUR for R9 290.
http://videocardz.com/46558/amd-radeon-r9-290x-r9-290-european-pricing-unveiled

Did you guys see this at the end of the article? Sounds like what the Epic games guy was talking about in a Tweet.

The winter is coming

If you were afraid that you won’t afford this card then don’t be. In Montreal NVIDIA will be showing something that may change the pricing in high-end segment on both sides. It’s for gamers and it’s not ONLY a GPU (but more information later).

 

[smackababy]

Did you guys see this at the end of the article? Sounds like what the Epic games guy was talking about in a Tweet.

The winter is coming

If you were afraid that you won’t afford this card then don’t be. In Montreal NVIDIA will be showing something that may change the pricing in high-end segment on both sides. It’s for gamers and it’s not ONLY a GPU (but more information later).

Yeah, and it sounds just as stupid as when the Epic guy said it. I don't want something for poor people, I want a GPU that is twice the Titan. If it costs $1000, so be it.

 

[Lepton87]

Now if you want something as fast as a 16-month-old 7970GHZ you have to spend $300 and if you want something high end (but far from the best) its $650.

Far from the best? I doubt it. I expect it to be faster then titan which is currently the best card at stock, some factory oc-ed 780s are faster.

 

[ozzy702]

so I guess the price of performance is $600+ now instead of $300ish

everybody loses


Remember when you could buy a geforce 4 ti 4200 for $180 and overclock it to 4600 speeds (top of the line $350 card).

Now if you want something as fast as a 16-month-old 7970GHZ you have to spend $300 and if you want something high end (but far from the best) its $650.

So... what's better than a Titan? There are a handful of aftermarket 780's out there that can barely best a Titan and the 290X should be at Titan levels stock and have room to overclock, so I ask you again, what's better than a Titan that makes a 290X "far from the best" when we haven't even seen proper reviews yet?

Inflation, Intel eroding the low end card market, increasing material costs, increasing node costs, etc all contribute to the rising cost in discrete GPUs. That may not be the case with a $1000 card like the Titan but it most certainly is the case the mainstream cards. While I don't love the idea of paying $500-$600 for a top tier card I also enjoy gaming enough to put my money into high end equipment.

 

[Lepton87]

So... what's better than a Titan?

Two Titans?

 

[blackened23]

So... what's better than a Titan?

An overclocked GTX 780. Heyo.

 

[ozzy702]

An overclocked GTX 780. Heyo.

Overclocked sure, but then the 290X will overclock too. I was just pointing out how absurd his statement was.

 

[blackened23]

Overclocked sure, but then the 290X will overclock too. I was just pointing out how absurd his statement was.

Oh, i'm just side commenting on the fact that GTX 780 made Titan largely irrelevant. Yet, I do agree with your sentiment - I'm eager to see 290X OC results just as you are - if it is like the original voltage unlocked Tahiti (I hope vendors don't voltage lock them!) we have much to look forward to IMHO.

 

[RussianSensation]

Its a shame you dont even read what you link to, yet you proclaim something the article doesnt state:

I read the article and many reviews. The cards do not show any degraded performance and the benchmarks clearly show that after-market R9 280X cards with clocks exceeding 7970GE are performing as they should be, faster.

There you go exaggerating numbers again. Its 90-100$. But what does nVidia ahve to do with this? Specially EOL cards.

Talking about 770 prices.

MSI Gaming R9 280X = $310
MSI Gaming 770 2GB = $399
MSI Gaming 770 4GB = $465

The price difference is $90-150.

Why are you so busy with nVidia?

No, it's more like I find it disgusting that people defend $90-150 pricing premiums for the same level of performance and NV's arrogance for not lowering prices. Then the same people complain that there is too little competition in the industry.

R9 280X undercuts GTX770 by more than GTX760/680 undercut 7950/7970 cards and yet certain people keep downplaying how R9 280X demolishes 770 on price/performance.

If nobody cares, why are they being sold? Factory OC cards are out of spec. I simply compare apples to apples. Standard HD7970GE to Standard R9 280X.

"AMD has put together some reference boards utilizing a newly restyled cooler for testing and photo opportunities, but these reference boards will not be sampled or sold. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx/5

Yet you ignore nVidia after market cards too.

3-4% more performance won't make any difference. Who pays $100-150 more for a card that's not faster once both are overclocked?

It's even worse when depending on the game selection a $299 card is faster than a $399 on average.
http://techreport.com/review/25466/amd-radeon-r9-280x-and-270x-graphics-cards/11

 

[Vesku]

It seems to be a weird way of hoping Nvidia will drop prices. "Maybe if the 7970 was priced at $200 that 770 I want would be priced at $299." Lashing out at an entirely different brand when their brand is charging a premium.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

In less than 2 years we went from $499-549 7970/680 to a $299 R9 280X with faster performance. That's not amazing if you grabbed HD7970Ghz for $290-310 but it's not too bad if we look at it from Spring 2012 time frame. :thumbsup:

It is most certainly not, when you picked up a 7970 for < $300 and ended up getting it for free after BTC