R700 nice read

[JPB]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35818 ....

I know I know...but the article still mentions it, whether true or not.

 

[Kromis]

My God...

 

[potato28]

They're talking about R700, yet they still haven't gotten R600 out the door? I think this is Inquirer BS.

 

[JPB]

Yes I agree with you potato.... However, it is a quite interesting theory.

 

[Munky]

An interesting theory, but I dont buy that the r600 or the g80 are the last of the discrete high end gpu's. What the Inq is basically saying that the r700 will be integrated with the cpu, but you cant just pop in a cpu/gpu unit in a mobo and expect to get the equivalent performance of a high end video card. This requires a whole system designed and built with this goal in mind - something along the lines of modern game consoles. In the long run, this may be where AMD and PC's in general are headed - designing and selling a whole platform geared for specific tasks, but I dont expect such PC systems to show up as early as 2008.

 

[coldpower27]

Hmmm, considering R700 is so far away, any speculation at this point are just shots in the dark. Though it is an interesting theory.

 

[hardwareking]

ATI is just using theinq to steal nvidia's thunder.They haven't released R600 and already they are talkin about R700.

 

[Matt2]

I whole heartedly agree with munky.

It wont be until 2010 at the very earliest that we see an integrated CPU/GPU that has the performance that we as gamers need.

This is also why Nvidia owns the high end graphics market for a long time to come after R600.

 

[CrystalBay]

Why would you say the Matt2 ? Because you don't know much ? huh?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
Why would you say the Matt2 ? Because you don't know much ? huh?

and what part of my insightful post are you using to attack my knowledge?

 

[thilanliyan]

Waaaaaiiit a minute...I thought ATI was dead and R600 was the last GPU they'd ever make and would instead make toasters??

I can see the concept working...but they would need a REALLY fast interconnect though.

 

[Lonyo]

How much would their ring bus help in this kind of situation?
Also, how "linked" are the quads in a GPU anyway? If there isn't a whole lot of interdependence, then there should, in theory, not be too much issue with slower-than-current interconnections.
They also have, possibly irrelevant, but access to AMD's resources in terms of CPU interconnects, which could possibly help.

 

[DeathReborn]

AMD have already talked about Modular CPU's so it's not too big a leap. However to me it looks like a "cluster" of low end GPU's to attain high end performance. It could also improve yields over single big chip GPU designs.

On the otherhand I view this as PR bullcrap designed to make people not buy G80 but wait for AMD to come out with something (no matter how late it is). I'd believe the inq more if they talked about facts instead of chinese whispers.

 

[Piuc2020]

Wait wouldn't an integrated CPU/GPU design be bad for us? I mean, GPUs have to be upgraded a LOT faster than CPUs and when we have to upgrade the GPU we have to ditch the CPU which will probably be pretty kickass...

Didn't nvidia talk about a socketed GPU design?

 

[Lonyo]

Umm, where are people getting the idea that discrete GPU's are dead? The article doesn't say anything like that.

This is saying instead of one chip on a discrete card, you have lots of little ones. This is not Fusion/integrated CPU/GPU, it's just like having a multi-socket board.
Imagine a single processor system. It has a CPU + RAM + everything else. Current graphics cards have GPU + RAM.
This seems to be like a multi-socket motherboard, so imagine a 4P system where you have 4 CPU's + RAM, except it will be 4 mini GPU's + RAM. Basically it's what they've done before, but on a more sophisticated level.
Imagine the old Voodoo 5's and Rage Fury MAXX. Multi-chip systems on one PCB.

 

[SunnyD]

By the way... it's THE INQUIRER, not ENQUIRER.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
By the way... it's THE INQUIRER, not ENQUIRER.

Can you type a little bigger please ? I cannot read the 5th, 6th and 8th word of your post.

 

[biostud]

A CPUGPU is not intended for high end but for mobile and low cost systems for a very long time.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: munky
An interesting theory, but I dont buy that the r600 or the g80 are the last of the discrete high end gpu's. What the Inq is basically saying that the r700 will be integrated with the cpu, but you cant just pop in a cpu/gpu unit in a mobo and expect to get the equivalent performance of a high end video card. This requires a whole system designed and built with this goal in mind - something along the lines of modern game consoles. In the long run, this may be where AMD and PC's in general are headed - designing and selling a whole platform geared for specific tasks, but I dont expect such PC systems to show up as early as 2008.

Uhh, that's not what the inq is saying.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: biostud
A CPUGPU is not intended for high end but for mobile and low cost systems for a very long time.

translation: "a long very time"in computerHWspeak =

<<we should see high-end CPUGPU in about 4-5 years competing with discreet parts.>>

that IS a very long time
:Q



and, 'yes' it will require a completely new system redesign and rethink .... not to mention future advances in HW/SW

edited

 

[TanisHalfElven]

stupid idiots can't even RTFM before commenting on it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
An interesting theory, but I dont buy that the r600 or the g80 are the last of the discrete high end gpu's. What the Inq is basically saying that the r700 will be integrated with the cpu, but you cant just pop in a cpu/gpu unit in a mobo and expect to get the equivalent performance of a high end video card. This requires a whole system designed and built with this goal in mind - something along the lines of modern game consoles. In the long run, this may be where AMD and PC's in general are headed - designing and selling a whole platform geared for specific tasks, but I dont expect such PC systems to show up as early as 2008.

Maybe R600/G80 are the last MONSTER sized GPU's. What they say ATI is planning would be fantastic. All they have to do is make 1 single type of GPU core, and add them corresponding to how powerful they want the card to be. Sort of a modular design.

Budget: 1 core
Value: 2 cores
Midrange: 4 cores
Performance: 8 cores
Super Enthusiast: 9 bazillion cores.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

 

[zephyrprime]

I don't see how they can make only one type for core. It seems to me that you would need at least 2 cores. One that contains the pixel pipe and shaders and one that contains everything else (2d, controller, pcie interface, screen out, maybe memory bus?)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I don't see how they can make only one type for core. It seems to me that you would need at least 2 cores. One that contains the pixel pipe and shaders and one that contains everything else (2d, controller, pcie interface, screen out, maybe memory bus?)

You have seen the external chip (NVIO) on the G80 yes? 2d, controller, pcie interface, screen out, maybe memory bus can all be handled by one external chip that would be present on all cards no matter the segment/performance it is to be sold at. That chip would be standard on all cards sold. The shaders/pixel pipe or whatever would be on the modular chips. Performance increases as chips are added. I like this approach a whole bunch. I think it's a very smart and practical concept (at least for the companies doing it).

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: munky
An interesting theory, but I dont buy that the r600 or the g80 are the last of the discrete high end gpu's. What the Inq is basically saying that the r700 will be integrated with the cpu, but you cant just pop in a cpu/gpu unit in a mobo and expect to get the equivalent performance of a high end video card. This requires a whole system designed and built with this goal in mind - something along the lines of modern game consoles. In the long run, this may be where AMD and PC's in general are headed - designing and selling a whole platform geared for specific tasks, but I dont expect such PC systems to show up as early as 2008.

Uhh, that's not what the inq is saying.

Not yet, anyways. But that's where I see the technology is headed. I believe AMD's fusion is more than just a one-off project, and this seems like the next step for integrating the gpu and the cpu.