R7 265 goes on sale...for $149

[Lonyo]

Yup it looks like entire market is on fire.
A single SKU has been released, and at least several cards are already sold ^_^

But here is what's interesting. R7 265 has double memory bandwidth of 750 Ti, yet it barely catches up (when both cards OC-ed).
It takes BW-heavy Metro LL for 265 to finally take the lead, but again nothing to write home about.
What trickery is this? Isn't Nvidia supposed to be one with memory controller issue?

R7 265 is still very decent card for the money, and perf/$ $150 champ.
But between supply issues, availability, aggressive Nvidia Maxwell/750/Ti marketing, between old-vs-new tech and barely being faster than 750 Ti,
it's almost given that this card will sell in fraction of 750 Ti sales.
I mean NV is selling frigging Maxwell, and these guys can barely make a year 2012. Pitcairn.
Without accusing Chinese New Year for their supply woes. Like Chinese New Year is some rare and unpredictable natural catastrophe, and not same-time-every-year holiday.

NV did used to have memory controller issues... they sorted them. That's why in one of the semi-recent Anandtech reviews, they talked about how NV had memory controller issues and sorted them (with the GTX 680).
They also discussed in their AMD review how AMD managed to make their memory controllers in newer cards much smaller than their old ones, so that having a bigger memory bus was not such a die size hit. Since the R265 is just a partially disabled R270, it seems like they didn't need to disable a memory controller, so it has higher RAM bandwidth. That doesn't necessarily mean it needs it, but it has it.

Not sure what any of that has to do with NV's old mem controller issues though.

 

[nwo]

I clicked 4 of the benchmark pages, and it won two, but lost GRID and one other one.

It trades blows, yet:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/palit-gtx-750-ti-stormx-dual-2gb-review/21/

The only benchmark in which the stock clocked GTX 750Ti beats a Sapphire 265 Dual X (stock clocked) is the first one (Alien Vs. Predator).

Still, I gotta give it up to the GTX 750Ti, I was not expecting it to be able to come so close to the 7850/265 performance, I was expecting it to be in the 7790/260x range.

If you are going to compare OCed results, I think there would be no contest between the 265 and GTX 750Ti, especially if you are able to successfully unlock the 265 into a 270 and OC it to 270X speeds.

 

[blackened23]

The real interesting aspect of GM107 is mobile IMO. If we disregard overclocking for a moment which looks really strong on Maxwell - AMD has price performance on its side for desktop. Yet the interesting aspect of GM107 is and always will be mobile. That chip is going to be in a ton of ultrabooks this summer/fall and i'm not sure what AMD will have to compete in terms of a mobile dGPU. Their nearest competing part is the 65W TDP R7-250 which performs at less than half the speed.

As far as desktop GPUs? I don't know. You can make a case for either/or, they are both good for their respective use. The GM107 would clearly be better for someone with a Dell cheesebox with say, a 300W PSU. While someone who wants to hash or someone who wants a bit more performance per $ (and has no PSU limitations) could look at the 265. The 265 has a 150WTDP but a lot of desktop users obviously won't care....They both have their place. But in the end, I do think nvidia will sell a crap ton more chips simply because as a mobile part AMD doesn't have anything that can meaningfully or remotely compete with Maxwell in terms of PPW. Mobile is the larger market. AMD can meaningfully compete in the desktop segment though. Anyway, for high performance ultrabooks the choice boils down between crystalwell and GM107. The GM107 would be faster, cheaper, and with a similar TDP as the 4850MQ + Iris Pro.

I think this fall in particular will be pretty cool. Gaming on a portable in the past required a huge hulking laptop, generally speaking. Now with GM107 we can fit good 1080p performance in a super slim ultrabook portable form factor with an intel core CPU on top of that. I'm personally a big fan of the retina Macbook Pros (not for gaming of course) and ultrabooks in general. I can't wait to see what designs are unveiled using GM107 - these ultrabooks should be fairly sick for gaming and still have excellent battery life. Traditionally battery life has always been the problem with gaming laptops, GM107 should improve that immensely while still being a slim, light and super small form factor - and also of course very good for 1080p games.

Don't get me wrong, I do love my desktop for high end gaming. Yet I also like portables such as the rMBP, Yoga Pro 2, etc. This new chip does open up some interesting possibilities IMO.

 

[TeknoBug]

None on newegg.ca yet.

Unfortunately the image of the character is computer generated so you cannot actually grab those...

:awe::biggrin::awe:

 

[rgallant]

Yup it looks like entire market is on fire.
A single SKU has been released, and at least several cards are already sold ^_^

But here is what's interesting. R7 265 has double memory bandwidth of 750 Ti, yet it barely catches up (when both cards OC-ed).
It takes BW-heavy Metro LL for 265 to finally take the lead, but again nothing to write home about.
What trickery is this? Isn't Nvidia supposed to be one with memory controller issue?

R7 265 is still very decent card for the money, and perf/$ $150 champ.
But between supply issues, availability, aggressive Nvidia Maxwell/750/Ti marketing, between old-vs-new tech and barely being faster than 750 Ti,
it's almost given that this card will sell in fraction of 750 Ti sales.
I mean NV is selling frigging Maxwell, and these guys can barely make a year 2012. Pitcairn.
Without accusing Chinese New Year for their supply woes. Like Chinese New Year is some rare and unpredictable natural catastrophe, and not same-time-every-year holiday.

"I mean NV is selling frigging Maxwell"--so what?
plus it's green so can never have a equal or better right.

 

[Keysplayr]

"I mean NV is selling frigging Maxwell"--so what?
plus it's green so can never have a equal or better right.

Soooo, what? It's cool that's what...
And as far as your second pointless sentence? He never said that or alluded to it. You're looking to pick a fight.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

A 750ti is more efficient at stock, and faster overall once OC potential is factored in. This is a low volume part based off of ancient tech.

Hopefully there is more than this rebranded 7850 in the works.

I know right. Amd is going to go out of business soon if they keep trickling out rebrands.

Not something you see nvidia doing.

 

[rgallant]

Soooo, what? It's cool that's what...
And as far as your second pointless sentence? He never said that or alluded to it. You're looking to pick a fight.

not picking a fight [sorry I only buy green] but a 750ti sold as a gaming card is just a rip off.

also from a different thread
"Yet you will never ever see a R7-265 in an ultrabook."
who cares maybe I'm missing something .

it's not the maxwell people are waiting for so this non gaming card gets many points for it's name [maxwell].

 

[The Alias]

Yes, that's a 1202Mhz 750Ti vs a 900Mhz 265.

wow talk about leaving facts out

 

[blackened23]

not picking a fight [sorry I only buy green] but a 750ti sold as a gaming card is just a rip off.

750ti costs 10-20$ more than the 260X, outperforms it while sipping a fraction of the power. You can of course get the 265 which has its place, if you don't mind the TDP being 2.5 times higher. Don't get me wrong that card (265) has its place and has better performance per dollar, that much is clear. The 265 is the definite winner in that respect, although the Maxwell does very well when overclocked. But, the 265 can overclock as well. Anyway, If you have a cheesebox from Dell that you want to upgrade for a friend with a 300W PSU watcha gonna do. Probably not the 265 at 150W TDP eh? Heck no. Probably the ripoff 750ti at 150$ MSRP. Besides which, the true intent of GM107 is mobile to which AMD doesn't an answer to. Rip-off? It is what it is. Regardless a lot of 750ti's are regularly going out of stock @ newegg despite having 10 SKUs there. Seems to be doing okay - both of these cards have their place for different users. Performance per watt or performance per dollar. Take your pick based on what you're upgrading. Not rocket science. Both cards have something to offer their respective segments - 750ti can be used in systems where the 265 can't. That doesn't apply to everyone, of course, and if it doesn't the 265 is there for them.

 

[nwo]

I know right. Amd is going to go out of business soon if they keep trickling out rebrands.

Not something you see nvidia doing.

Surely you can't be serious? If you think they are going to go out of business because they are rebranding their old GPUs... AMD cards flying off the shelves at 150% MSRP... But, if you think they are going to go out of business because of their CPUs, then you might be onto something... Either way, GPU sales are the only thing keeping AMD prosperous at this moment and there is no reason why they shouldn't capitalize on it by rebranding their old GPUs.

 

[MongGrel]

All the mining going on lately, someday Skynet might come alive and become sentient and kills us all.

 

[Keysplayr]

not picking a fight [sorry I only buy green] but a 750ti sold as a gaming card is just a rip off.

also from a different thread
"Yet you will never ever see a R7-265 in an ultrabook."
who cares maybe I'm missing something .

it's not the maxwell people are waiting for so this non gaming card gets many points for it's name [maxwell].

260X, 265X, 650Ti, 650Ti Boost, 7790, 7850 are not gaming cards either?
YES, people have been waiting for Maxwell, just as people were waiting for Tahiti, or Kepler, or Hawaii.
"who cares maybe I'm missing something" < --- Yup. You are missing that you aren't the only person in the world.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Much to the annoyance of some people here the 750Ti beating R7 265 has gone on sale for $149.
It promptly sold out.

I'm sure those who got 7850's for $99 and 7870's for $115 will be jealous they missed out on AMD's latest round of "deals."

 

[Will Robinson]

True...not to mention the people who bought a $650 780 then a few weeks later saw it get slashed to $500 to compete with R9 290

 

[Mondozei]

But between supply issues, availability, aggressive Nvidia Maxwell/750/Ti marketing, between old-vs-new tech and barely being faster than 750 Ti,
it's almost given that this card will sell in fraction of 750 Ti sales.

Yet it sold out right away.

The forced praises to 750 Ti are understandable, but instead of saying that AMD is embarrassing for selling 2012 tech, you should ask yourself what it says about the 750 Ti that they can get away with it, since the 265X is clearly better on price/perf ratio, even leaving aside the cryptocoin potential.
The 750 Ti is a good card, but it is hilariously overpriced when, in your own words, 2012 tech beats it on performance.

 

[blackened23]

As far as sales. To be fair, the 750ti has been selling exceptionally well and has more than 1 SKU available. There is only one, yes one, currently existing 265 SKU which had limited quantities. Now this card (265) will sell a lot, I have no doubt of this. But, like I said, the 750ti has regularly been going out and in stock at newegg and has many, many SKUs available. So to compare that to another AMD SKU that has 1 card from sapphire available...well...yeah.

Instead of viewing everything in the context of "us versus them" you could simply state that both cards have their place and both are good for different types of uses. Maxwell is a new architecture designed primarily for 1) mobile and 2) efficiency. AMD can compete with the 750ti on the desktop with part using 2.5 times the TDP (150W vs 60W), but they can not and will not meaningfully compete in the mobile market. Maxwell is simply far better than everything at the moment for mobile - better than crystalwell, better than the r7-250, etc. That's the primary design of the GM107. Mobile. And it works for desktop too, as the GK107 did.

Anyway, back to the 265. I'm not trying to detract from it. Yes, it is clearly better performance per dollar than the 750ti at stock settings. (We will ignore overclocking for the moment). No one disagreed with that to my knowledge. On the other hand, the 750ti is the clear winner for performance per watt and mobile - this will allow the 750ti to be used in systems where the 265 can't (think Dell, HP, and Gateway systems with cheesy 300W PSUs) and the GM107 will get a clean sweep in ultrabook with mobile dGPU design wins. AMD just doesn't have anything in an appropriate TDP window for mobile, so GM107 will win a clean sweep there. Kepler also had a near clean sweep in ultrabok with mobile dGPU design wins. So while AMD can do well and sell quite a few cards for desktop, this will not apply to ultrabooks where they really have nothing appropriate to sell.

Again - both cards for the desktop are good but in different ways. They are not for the same type of users. They both have pros and cons, and they're both good in their respective ways. It isn't "us versus them" thing in this case. 750ti can be used in some systems where the 265 can't. And if the 265 can be used by someone without PSU considerations, it has better performance per dollar. I don't really see these types of buyers overlapping much. Look at what you're upgrading, determine which features you want, and go from there. Clearly the buyer who wants more frames per buck would probably get the 265. OTOH the buyer with a 4 year old HP with a 300W PSU - or someone who prefers nvidia's software ecosystem/intangible factors - will probably get the 750ti because they can't use the 265.

 

[TreVader]

As far as sales. To be fair, the 750ti has been selling exceptionally well and has more than 1 SKU available. There is only one, yes one, currently existing 265 SKU which had limited quantities. Now this card (265) will sell a lot, I have no doubt of this. But, like I said, the 750ti has regularly been going out and in stock at newegg and has many, many SKUs available. So to compare that to another AMD SKU that has 1 card from sapphire available...well...yeah.

Instead of viewing everything in the context of "us versus them" you could simply state that both cards have their place and both are good for different types of uses. Maxwell is a new architecture designed primarily for 1) mobile and 2) efficiency. AMD can compete with the 750ti on the desktop with part using 2.5 times the TDP (150W vs 60W), but they can not and will not meaningfully compete in the mobile market. Maxwell is simply far better than everything at the moment for mobile - better than crystalwell, better than the r7-250, etc. That's the primary design of the GM107. Mobile. And it works for desktop too, as the GK107 did.

Anyway, back to the 265. I'm not trying to detract from it. Yes, it is clearly better performance per dollar than the 750ti at stock settings. (We will ignore overclocking for the moment). No one disagreed with that to my knowledge. On the other hand, the 750ti is the clear winner for performance per watt and mobile - this will allow the 750ti to be used in systems where the 265 can't (think Dell, HP, and Gateway systems with cheesy 300W PSUs) and the GM107 will get a clean sweep in ultrabook with mobile dGPU design wins. AMD just doesn't have anything in an appropriate TDP window for mobile, so GM107 will win a clean sweep there. Kepler also had a near clean sweep in ultrabok with mobile dGPU design wins. So while AMD can do well and sell quite a few cards for desktop, this will not apply to ultrabooks where they really have nothing appropriate to sell.

Again - both cards for the desktop are good but in different ways. They are not for the same type of users. They both have pros and cons, and they're both good in their respective ways. It isn't "us versus them" thing in this case. 750ti can be used in some systems where the 265 can't. And if the 265 can be used by someone without PSU considerations, it has better performance per dollar. I don't really see these types of buyers overlapping much. Look at what you're upgrading, determine which features you want, and go from there. Clearly the buyer who wants more frames per buck would probably get the 265. OTOH the buyer with a 4 year old HP with a 300W PSU - or someone who prefers nvidia's software ecosystem/intangible factors - will probably get the 750ti because they can't use the 265.

Nobody cares about TDP except you and laptop manufacturers. The 265 demolishes the 750ti stock and it only gets worse when you overclock because the 265 overclocks well too and doesn't have that crippling memory bandwidth problem.


Crazy that people are looking at GM107, 2 years newer than Pitcairn, slower, and more expensive, and talk about it being a breakthrough because it uses less power. It's a failure, totally. If the 265 had been out and in stock nvidia would have sold zero 750ti. Maybe 1 to you.


Keep this up and you will be seeing more vacations here shortly. Personal attacks are not permitted and stop with the constant baiting NOW.

-Rvenger

 

[blackened23]

Alrighty. If you say-so.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow.

 

[jacktesterson]

Keep in mind that dedicated miners will usually be running their cards in an open-air frame, on powered risers, with a box fan blowing at the heatsinks. And they don't care about noise levels either (since these rigs are usually shoved in the basement or garage). Also, it's likely that the maturity of the TSMC 28nm process will enable higher overclocks and/or lower fan speeds and voltages than was the case for the first wave of Pitcairns in mid-2012.

In the "7850 is a sick beast" thread, there are TONS of people who posted there O/C's as it was extremely fast when O/C'd when it first came out.

The original launch cards had voltage up to 1.3v and could almost all hit 1200+ as long as it had good cooling. Sapphire and Asus were the 2 best brands.

My 1310 was pretty high on the percentile though. I think if you got 1200 Core you had a good card IMO.


Also - to note, Most of the 2nd versions of these cards came Voltage locked.. allowing a Max of 1.18v to 1.225v, which limited O/C's to around 1100-1200 max for most cards.

 

[jacktesterson]

Nobody cares about TDP except you and laptop manufacturers. The 265 demolishes the 750ti stock and it only gets worse when you overclock because the 265 overclocks well too and doesn't have that crippling memory bandwidth problem.


Crazy that people are looking at GM107, 2 years newer than Pitcairn, slower, and more expensive, and talk about it being a breakthrough because it uses less power. It's a failure, totally. If the 265 had been out and in stock nvidia would have sold zero 750ti. Maybe 1 to you.

I would take a 7850 / 265x anyday of the week over a 750 Ti.

A highly overclocked 7850 was close to a GTX 580 in some cases. Like 30-40% increase in performance over stock.

I haven't seen a 265X yet though, but even 1200 core gets you in GTX 570 speed range for $150.00

Add in the 256 bit bus, no brainer here.

 

[Erenhardt]

This is 2012 tech! [What???]
Who would pay that much for something so old. We should be in 20nm by now!
It went from $250 to $150, 40% off - only. We should have proper new generation, not these re-badges. New gen mainstream card are at least 50% faster than the previous gen equivalent that occupied that price tag.

In my book 40% off doesn't cut it. And we are talking about the best bang for a buck cards? Jeez, I don't want to see pricing of Rx 300 and gtx800 series...


Let's cut it out with the foul language please.


-Rvenger

 

[nwo]

I'm sure those who got 7850's for $99 and 7870's for $115 will be jealous they missed out on AMD's latest round of "deals."

My best was $88 after MIR and after promo code for an XFX 7850 1GB Core.

My best for a 7870 was about $110 after MIR for a Sapphire Dual X.

:wub:

Nobody cares about TDP except you and laptop manufacturers

I beg to differ. OEM PC users certainly do care since the PSUs in their rigs do not leave a lot of room for expansion.

 

[el etro]

HD7850@1,05Ghz can battle with GTX 660 performance.



If all R7 265 can past the 1,05Ghz barrier...