R600 crazy clock speeds.

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: munky
They suck at predictions, period. Where's that 32 pipe r520? What about the 700mhz 32pipe g71? I dont doubt that the r600 will be fast, but 1000mhz? NO way. Maybe we'll see 800mhz, and that's if they use a 65nm process. I don't believe it will clock higher than that without xtreme cooling.

It's very hard when we're several months from product launch. I agree that they suck at predictions, and quite frankly, I find theINQ repulsive. Xbit says 650MHz, so that's what I'm going with, for now anyways. Next month, it might be different, and by the time it launches, I'm sure it will something new, too.

I'm leaning more towards the xbit predictions aswell. With rumours of TSMC's 80nm process being problematic they might just go straight to 65nm (assuming that's not problematic too).

I do have 1 prediction of my own tho, I think the 3:1 ratio will no longer be the case with R600.

seems it will be 64 shaders I am not sure how many texture units but pipes don?t really exists in r600 because of its unified nature..

Wait, wasn't the R600 suppose to have unified shaders? To get rid of the the which is better argument (24 pipes with 24 shaders or 16 pipes with 48 shaders, in current cards).

 

[BFG10K]

If the card uses GDD4 I would have to agree it sounds like it will be a monster.

With a monstrously loud cooling solution too, no doubt.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If the card uses GDD4 I would have to agree it sounds like it will be a monster.

With a monstrously loud cooling solution too, no doubt.

That's usual from ATi, isn't it ?

I thought it was since their X800 and especially their X850 series. Their reference coolers are crap, we all know about that.

It's always better to buy a good cooling solution seperately. We shouldn't have to. But if we wouldn't have to do that, companies like Zalman would loose a lot of money. Market needs to maintain a balance.

ATi must not produce "too good" reference cooling, neither Nvidia has to. Other companies around take care of that. Those engineers over at ATi and Nvidia aren't trained to build top of the line cooling solutions, they are trained to build graphics solution. Let Zalman, Thermaltake and others do the rest.

 

[ronnn]

Must be close to an Nv release, silly time for pre-paper extraveganza of power to come.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If the card uses GDD4 I would have to agree it sounds like it will be a monster.

With a monstrously loud cooling solution too, no doubt.

I agree. Most use aftermarket coolers anyway though. Still, it would be nice to see some cooling like that of the 7900GTX.

I am extremely anxious for GDD4. That is where we can really see ATI's ring-bus memory really take flight. At least, that is where the efficiency of the X1*** series memory architecture coupled with GDD4 can save ATI some money and time in research for their R600 implementaions.

Ring-bus Memory Architecture Link

 

[hardwareking]

i think ati skipped 80 nm all together and went fo 65nm with the r600.So no r580+ on 80nm but 90nm as theinquirer suggested.
But even on 65nm 1000mhz clock speed is unrealistic.
Maybe they'll give stock liquid nitrogen cooling.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
i think ati skipped 80 nm all together and went fo 65nm with the r600.So no r580+ on 80nm but 90nm as theinquirer suggested.
But even on 65nm 1000mhz clock speed is unrealistic.
Maybe they'll give stock liquid nitrogen cooling.

:laugh:

Or maybe a triple slot ATi stock cooler.

edit - TSMC is having trouble with 80nm i belive, so the R570/560 is on 90nm as opposed to being 80nm. If ATi is releasing these mid range cards based on the R580 core, i think they could refresh the R580. But i dont see the reason why, as its the single fastest card as of now, well until the 7950GX2 hits the market anyway.

I would love to see what the mid range R570 has to offer, because ATi has been really falling behind ever since the X800pro/X700XT/pro failure + X1600 series too. The X1800GTO is good, but its based on ATi's flagship card, and has a die size two times bigger than the G73 core (Since the R520 core is 55% bigger than the G71). Thats not a good move in business sense.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: hardwareking
i think ati skipped 80 nm all together and went fo 65nm with the r600.So no r580+ on 80nm but 90nm as theinquirer suggested.
But even on 65nm 1000mhz clock speed is unrealistic.
Maybe they'll give stock liquid nitrogen cooling.

:laugh:

Or maybe a triple slot ATi stock cooler.

Crossfire 3600 Chipset, 2x PCie x16 (no room for PCI or PCie x1, X4 or X8 slots due to triple slot cooling).

ATI could just get Arctic Cooling to make all their cooling, freeing up the $100 ATI spend on Cooling R&D.

 

[josh6079]

Yeah, I think all ATI cards should come with Zalman CNPS 9500's and zip ties!! Triple slot cooling done right.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

given that we are already knocking on 700Mhz's door, 1Ghz by the years end (but probably more into 2007) doesnt seem to unreallistic at all IMO.

this is gonna be good


any word on what nvidia are gonna produce? or are they jus gonna keep doubling up the G71's every time some more speed is needed.

 

[tuteja1986]

ATI better not hope "lets launch this card arround november and have it in stock arround early decemeber and make alot of profit" because by that time Nvidia would have already sold craploads of G80.

 

[Auric]

Welp, if the cards are designed to run a 3D desktop then they better have quiet variable cooling.

 

[T2k]

Typical Inq predition method is when they post all knd of variations through a 6-8 months period - then when the card comes out, they can easily pick their closest idea as "we told ya so..." :disgust:

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: T2k
Typical Inq predition method is when they post all knd of variations through a 6-8 months period - then when the card comes out, they can easily pick their closest idea as "we told ya so..." :disgust:

LOL...brute force news articles.

 

[xpx]

1000 Mhz for a GPU? ATi is going to produce some quite expencive radiators to heat up our homes at cold winters

 

[josh6079]

I think the Inq is actually Ms. Cleeo online.:laugh:

 

[obeseotron]

I doubt even ATI's top engineers could say with authority the final clockspeed for a chip so far away. Final clock speeds are determined by a combination of yields from TSMC and whatever the competition has. If you're in a Radeon 9700 or Geforce 7800 situation where the other company just doesn't have anything close, you clock it conservatively. Without knowing how good 65nm will be from TSMC or how fast the G80 is going to be, I don't see how anyone would know exactly how fast they'll clock it.

 

[ItsAlive]

I could be mistaken but wouldnt a 65nm chip run cooler? I mean considering that a 90nm Intel chip overheats considerably yet the 65nm design seems to run substantially cooler. Maybe the new design would solve some of ATI's heat issues.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
I could be mistaken but wouldnt a 65nm chip run cooler? I mean considering that a 90nm Intel chip overheats considerably yet the 65nm design seems to run substantially cooler. Maybe the new design would solve some of ATI's heat issues.

Potentially yes. But we wont see the R600 or more appropriately R620.

That is because the new midrange R560/570 are going to be released around september? While they are also releasing the R580+. So theres still more life for the X1900 series.

This also suggests that NV will release some new cards.

One thing to note is that the more complex the architecture is, the harder for them to raise the core so high.

I hope its not a power hugnry beast...

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
I could be mistaken but wouldnt a 65nm chip run cooler? I mean considering that a 90nm Intel chip overheats considerably yet the 65nm design seems to run substantially cooler. Maybe the new design would solve some of ATI's heat issues.

As said, potentially yes. However, one must remember that what remaining heat that's there is concentrated in a smaller area. Add to the fact that they are increasing clock speeds, this usually produces more heat, and you're right back where you started.

 

[ItsAlive]

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: ItsAlive
I could be mistaken but wouldnt a 65nm chip run cooler? I mean considering that a 90nm Intel chip overheats considerably yet the 65nm design seems to run substantially cooler. Maybe the new design would solve some of ATI's heat issues.

As said, potentially yes. However, one must remember that what remaining heat that's there is concentrated in a smaller area. Add to the fact that they are increasing clock speeds, this usually produces more heat, and you're right back where you started.

Ahh....OK I am interested to see if ATI can make a high performance model with a single slot cooler. I highly doubt its of much interest to them compared to performance of the card, but i use a micro ATX board and for many people the dual slot cooler can be a problem.