R520 may see 700MHz core.

[jiffylube1024]

Too many rumours, not enough actual product.

So far we've seen nothing and all this is just talk, talk, talk.

In the meantime, the only card that means anything is the GeForce 7800GTX; the rest is just idle banter; vapourware and promises.

ATI's new card sounds good, just like whatever Nvidia will counter with should be good, but in the meantime only one company is delivering any type of product for this generation - Nvidia.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: JBT
Why don't you guys wait to see the performance rather than flying off the handle? Some of you are so two faced at times...

Somebody needs a time out. Don't bring animosity to an otherwise benign thread. Thanks

I agree with the point but it was poorly conveyed.

I dont see what the fuss is about. Who cares whether it has 16, 24 or 32 pipes? As long as ATI deliver a competitive product, Im not bothered how many pipes it has.

The fuss is just this:
ATI fans will be thoroughly upset (as I have seen indicated from numerous posts and threads here and elsewhere) if the only way ATI can compete with a 430MHz Nvidia card is to crank theirs up towards 700MHz. Kind of like how AMD lovers tout the higher IPC of their chips over intels insane clockspeed requirement and still cant best AMD right now.

You can detect this dissappointment in undertones in ATI fans posts. Hey, if it performs as well as Nvidia's best without burning a hole in the side of your PC case, so much the better.

All I know is, if this R520 isn't sensational as ATI touts, then they better start paying those ex-ARTx employees more money to get their asses moving and design the next R300.

 

[dfloyd]

Jiffy now your not making any sense.

This is a computer forum where we discuss hardware. Future, past, and present. So yes its speculation but thats what this forum is here for. So although your statement is obvious, its lacking the understanding that comes with the realazation of where you are. Stop for a moment, look up at the title of the forums, think about what it is people come here for.

So of course its idle banter, vaporware, promieses, whatever, thats what we are here for. Some of us are trying to guesstimate what the future holds, and we are trying to do so to the highest degree of propability, thats why we discuss it and ask for others opinions.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Man some of you people complaining are not making any sense..... Less pipes equals less cost. So if its as fast or faster than a 7800 at a lower cost whats the problem? Relatitivity people!

I mean what is wrong with a higher clocked sixteen pipe chip if its as fast or faster than a twenty four or thirty two pipe chip that is clocked lower. And think about what this opens the door for?

A 32 pipe 700+ mhz Ati Monster. If anything, seeing chips clock this high and getting good yields can only be a good thing.

I dont have a problem with it being 16 pipes FOR NOW, but when nvidia already has 24 pipes, that puts ati at a disadvantage, unless those are some x-treme pipes that do twice as much work or something. Making up the difference in clockspeed can only push you so far, eventually they'll hit a brick wall, like intel did with the prescott.

But thinking from a cost perspective, there's no need for a 32 pipe monster to squash the gf7800 (although most of us would want one), as long as ati has a competitive product, they'll be ok, although releasing a product 4 months later that can only match the 7800 sounds pretty lame.

The one possibility that I see is that this 16 pipe card is not the big r520 we were all waiting for, but some lower-class derivative that ati is gonna release to have something out sooner. Then, in a month or 2 they might release the actual 32 pipe card, depending on the competition.

Anyway, at least for now they have those long-overdue price cuts going on, making some ati cards quite competitive in the market.

 

[zendari]

I dont care if it has 1 pipe, if it can perform better/cheaper than the 7800 GTX.

 

[VIAN]

Wow 16pipes with ultra high clock speeds. It may still be R300 derived.

Look at the source, people. Is the Inquirer ever right?

Yes it is.

Guys, this doesn't even matter. High pipes with low clockspeeds equal the performance of Low pipes with high clockspeeds. It's not like it's a bad move. As long as they can still kick ass is what matters here. Not how many pipes it has. if the R520 has 650MHz it has a fillrate of 10.4Gpps where the 7800 has 10.3. That's the pretty much the same here. All that matters now is how efficient each architecture is.

I dont care if it has 1 pipe, if it can perform better/cheaper than the 7800 GTX.

You go girl!

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: Drayvn
16 Pipes

Doesnt nVidias architecture have only 16 real pipes too?

24 that I know, never heard of 16 in the very last gen

Well there are 24 pixel pipelines, with 8 vertex shader units. But what hasnt changed is the ROPs there are still 16, the same from the last gen. The ROPs are the pixel ouput units. So its still ouputting when all pipelines are full 16 pixels. But because the pipelines are more programmable some pixels actually take longer to process meaning there most of the time isnt any need to change the ROPs.

Maybe thats what the INQ saw, they saw or heard 16 and thought it was the pixel pipelines when it might be the ROPs.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: zendari
I dont care if it has 1 pipe, if it can perform better/cheaper than the 7800 GTX.

Sheesh, quoting me these days Zendari? That must leave a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari
I dont care if it has 1 pipe, if it can perform better/cheaper than the 7800 GTX.

Sheesh, quoting me these days Zendari? That must leave a bad taste in your mouth.

If you said something similar, why would I care? My budget/choice of videocards doesn't revolve around you.

I call it as I see it, if ATI can't release a cheaper card than the 7800 GTX, its of no use to me.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Wow, this is exactly what I was expecting! w00t! 16 x-treme pipes ought to beat out a 32/24-pipe nVidia card.

I sincerely hope that is sarcasm, because history, even recent history, tell us that will fail miserably.

 

[fstime]

I believe everything I read.

Ati will have 16 pipes with 700 mhz core

Ati will have 24 pipes 600 mhz core

Ati will have 32 pipes with 600 mhz core

I find it all funny.

 

[reever]

That's just the Inq covering all bases so they can't be wrong

 

[Elcs]

For more pure fun speculation, assuming that the early rumours were true that ATI was going to release a 32-pipe card, Id assume they failed to make one worthy of producing and have had to settle for 16 pipes instead. With the experience of failure at 32 pipes, ATI's next design will be 32-pipes and be out before Nvidia's reply.

Until the card is out, Ive nearly given up caring. The flames around the forum are too hot to be worth putting up with.

Originally posted by: reever
That's just the Inq covering all bases so they can't be wrong

I bet they'll come up with 2-3 more articles before the R5xx series is out and still get it wrong. Just a hunch this time.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Jiffy now your not making any sense.

This is a computer forum where we discuss hardware. Future, past, and present. So yes its speculation but thats what this forum is here for. So although your statement is obvious, its lacking the understanding that comes with the realazation of where you are. Stop for a moment, look up at the title of the forums, think about what it is people come here for.

So of course its idle banter, vaporware, promieses, whatever, thats what we are here for. Some of us are trying to guesstimate what the future holds, and we are trying to do so to the highest degree of propability, thats why we discuss it and ask for others opinions.

Just trying to pour a few helpful grains of salt on everyone oohing and aahing (or screaming "ATI is screwed").

This week it's 700 MHz core; last week it was 16 or 24 "extreme" pipes plus something like 8 "virtual" pipes and the week before that it was 32 pipes...

It's exactly as Bouzouki put it:

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I believe everything I read.

Ati will have 16 pipes with 700 mhz core

Ati will have 24 pipes 600 mhz core

Ati will have 32 pipes with 600 mhz core

I find it all funny.

Everybody is jumping through hoops for nothing - there is no card to speak of yet. Why waste energy predicting feast or famine for ATI?

 

[Killrose]

I'm wondering where the R520 dirivitives are? like the RV5xx cards, though lower teir products, I thought they were to be released before R520? At least they might give us a glimpse of R520 performance.

 

[blckgrffn]

Flagship cards come out first, followed by mainstream, typically...

LOL, you know, if they had brought out the 6600GT before the 6800, we all would have called that card the performance king. How funny would that have been? They could have sold it for like $400 for a couple weeks

Nat

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: dfloyd
Jiffy now your not making any sense.

This is a computer forum where we discuss hardware. Future, past, and present. So yes its speculation but thats what this forum is here for. So although your statement is obvious, its lacking the understanding that comes with the realazation of where you are. Stop for a moment, look up at the title of the forums, think about what it is people come here for.

So of course its idle banter, vaporware, promieses, whatever, thats what we are here for. Some of us are trying to guesstimate what the future holds, and we are trying to do so to the highest degree of propability, thats why we discuss it and ask for others opinions.

Just trying to pour a few helpful grains of salt on everyone oohing and aahing (or screaming "ATI is screwed").

This week it's 700 MHz core; last week it was 16 or 24 "extreme" pipes plus something like 8 "virtual" pipes and the week before that it was 32 pipes...

It's exactly as Bouzouki put it:

Originally posted by: BouZouki
I believe everything I read.

Ati will have 16 pipes with 700 mhz core

Ati will have 24 pipes 600 mhz core

Ati will have 32 pipes with 600 mhz core

I find it all funny.

Everybody is jumping through hoops for nothing - there is no card to speak of yet. Why waste energy predicting feast or famine for ATI?

Because it's fun. Didn't you know that?

 

[VIAN]

Everybody is jumping through hoops for nothing - there is no card to speak of yet. Why waste energy predicting feast or famine for ATI?

People waste energy when the cards are already arguing about more stupid things. ex:Which one is Future Proof?

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Doesnt nVidias architecture have only 16 real pipes too?

Technically, 16 pixel pipelines, because it has only 16 ROPs, so can only output 16 pixels per clock. But the more important stat is its 24 fragment shader pipelines. Rumor is that R520 will have three shader ALUs per pipe (which seems a bit extreme even compared to the G70). R520 is rumored to have 16 pixel pipelines as well, but just 16 fragment shader pipes (but clocked higher than G70).

Yeah, GPUs are getting more complicated.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Too many rumours, not enough actual product.

So far we've seen nothing and all this is just talk, talk, talk.

In the meantime, the only card that means anything is the GeForce 7800GTX; the rest is just idle banter; vapourware and promises.

ATI's new card sounds good, just like whatever Nvidia will counter with should be good, but in the meantime only one company is delivering any type of product for this generation - Nvidia.

QFT- well said Jiffy. Were you channelling me as you typed this?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Wow, this is exactly what I was expecting! w00t!

You're full of it. And you're happy why?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Wow, this is exactly what I was expecting! w00t! 16 x-treme pipes ought to beat out a 32/24-pipe nVidia card.

What if it's done like the geforce 6600gt? Twice the number of shader units as actual pixel pipelines, yet performance is roughly equivilent to a true 8 pipe card rather than the 4 pipe card that the 6600gt is.(as it outperforms a 9800xt in quite a few situations, yet the specs only say 9600xt)

BTW, didn't ATI invest in some technology a little while back that was supposed to allow super high clocks? Also, considering how the graphics pipeline is going to be rather stable for quite a while(due to no improvements in dx9), would it be worthwhile for a graphics card to be designed like a cpu, a completely custom design that was hard to design and modify but can be clocked to extreme speeds?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Fox5

BTW, didn't ATI invest in some technology a little while back that was supposed to allow super high clocks?

Do you mean low-k dielectric? If so, ATI did use it on the 9600XT and it gave them a 20% speed improvement (400 MHz to 500 MHz), but I don't think they have anything in the works that will allow them to totally leapfrog Nvidia (at least without a response within 6 months).

Originally posted by: Rollo
QFT- well said Jiffy. Were you channelling me as you typed this?

Possibly, but more realistically I'm just confused as to all of this speculation with the R520 specs changing every week. It's like every other week ATI is either going to be in the driver's seat or going to be screwed, yet they've released nothing... I think we should sit back and just examine where we are right now. As it is, the 7800GTX is far and away the fastest money can buy. I'd still never go near it with a 10-foot pole due to the price ($250 is my cutoff; sorry Rollo I don't have those kinds of dollars to spend on video cards ), but I can respect the dominant position Nvidia is in right now.

Originally posted by: VIAN

Everybody is jumping through hoops for nothing - there is no card to speak of yet. Why waste energy predicting feast or famine for ATI?

People waste energy when the cards are already arguing about more stupid things. ex:Which one is Future Proof?

True, but at least they're asking which existing card will be more future proof. This is like saying "what will last longer, the GF7 GTX or R520?"

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Flagship cards come out first, followed by mainstream, typically...

LOL, you know, if they had brought out the 6600GT before the 6800, we all would have called that card the performance king. How funny would that have been? They could have sold it for like $400 for a couple weeks

Nat

Maybe, but there were other factors... The 6800GT was the first 16-pipe card if you disqualify the extremely rare (at launch) X800XT and 6800 Ultra. Plus they were substantially faster; the 6600GT doesn't crush the 9800 Pro in certain tests, while the 6800GT does.

But they definitely can pick a super-high number for cards at launch - the 7800GTX is $600 MSRP; what's next?

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These threads get created all the time for what seems to be not intelligent debate, but just to stir up some sh!t. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, the first reply is a not-completely-unexpected w00t!!!! .