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R260/270/280/290/290x Review thread

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Bitcoin mining isn't a game, though. The chart I saw showed that even if the 290X settled down do ~750MHz the part was still faster than a 780GTX. It started out faster at the high clock speed, but even when it settled to it's final low clocks, it was still faster at gaming.

*edit - And it is still 10% faster than the 7970 in your mining chart.
 
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cmon keys,its a fast card with an amd ref blower(garbage).what did you expect.

Cmon Keys? Honestly? I expected it to be done right. Else AMD appears to be a company that only "selectively" learns from it's mistakes or others mistakes. I mean, talk about blowing an incredible opportunity. With a proper cooler, there would be no temperature or throttling. At least not enough to have all this debating of if the card is in fact good or not. Blew it. You're right though. What did I expect from them....
 
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If they solve the problem, then its perfect. And the card is as it should be then. But that still leaves reference buyers with something that can end close to a HD7970GE due to bad cooling in prolonged usage. Reference buyers should be refunded for the obviously faulty products.

At this point you're a plain grief for these forums. Posting this 3 times a day won't make it true. There are plenty of reviewers that test cards warming them up previously and doing several runs. Hardware.fr did and proves you wrong.

hardware.fr testing methodology

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This forum should have a protocol to deal with people like you.
 
Cmon Keys? Honestly? I expected it to be done right. Else AMD appears to be a company that only "selectively" learns from it's mistakes or others mistakes. I mean, talk about blowing an incredible opportunity. With a proper cooler, there would be no temperature or throttling. At least not enough to have all this debating of if the card is in fact good or not. Blew it. You're right though. What did I expect from them....

Curious wording,"selectively"can you elaborate on that?
 
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, have been reading the forum for quite a while, though.

My 2 cents about the r9 290x:
great performance for a great price, but it definitely needs an aftermarket cooler. It will bring better performance and a cooler running card.
The reference cooler is bad, that's just the way it is. If you've got a reference board, rip of that blower and put it under water.
There's no need, IMO, to argue about the reference cooler any longer (it's getting old). It is what it is: a bad cooler for the card.
Everybody knows (red and green) the aftermarket coolers will be the way to go. It will run the 290x better out of the box and there will be more room for oc'ing.

Personally I will wait for aftermarket r9 290(non x) for €400-€450, which will be performing better than gtx770 and be (more or less) on par with gtx780, for less money.

Love the Nvidia cards, awesome performance, but they are too expensive IMO. Thanks to r9 290x the pricing will change.

Greetings from The Netherlands 🙂

Welcome to the minefield err... forums. 🙂
 
well you worded it.so always going to be curious*shrugs*....

Opportunity blown. Loud card. Cannot cool the card well enough. Overclocking inhibited. Could have utterly ran away with the Single GPU title even so the GTX780Ti could not catch it. /Opportunity blown.

You'd think, that a company would learn. They HAVE to know by now that their customers want cool, and quiet and most likely want to o/c these top end cards. So what do they do? It just makes you want to grab them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them. Ruined a potentially great card.
Even for a reference cooler, they could have done MILES better. Even if it costs the consumer 10, 20, 30 bucks more it still would have been at least 70 bucks cheaper than a standard 780. Blown.

/sorry for the rant.
 
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Funny people ar so upset with reference coolers. Whenever I buy a powerful graphic card the 1st thing I do is...get the stock cooler off and mount an Arctic Cooling Accelero cooler on it. Always dead quiet even at 300W consumption. If possible I mount NB 120mm coolers on it with rubber stands. Problem solved.
For the 290X I'll wait for an appropriate Accelero cooler solution.
 
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Opportunity blown. Loud card. Cannot cool the card properly. Overclocking inhibited. Could have utterly ran away with the Single GPU title even so the GTX780Ti could not catch it. /Opportunity blown.

You'd think, that a company would learn. They HAVE to know by now that their customers want cool, and quiet and most likely want to o/c these top end cards. So what do they do? It just makes you want to grab them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them. Ruined a potentially great card.
Even for a reference cooler, they could have done MILES better. Even if it costs the consumer 10, 20, 30 bucks more it still would have been at least 70 bucks cheaper than a standard 780. Blown.

/sorry for the rant.

Fair enough and i agree with most points made.
 
Opportunity blown. Loud card. Cannot cool the card well enough. Overclocking inhibited. Could have utterly ran away with the Single GPU title even so the GTX780Ti could not catch it. /Opportunity blown.

You'd think, that a company would learn. They HAVE to know by now that their customers want cool, and quiet and most likely want to o/c these top end cards. So what do they do? It just makes you want to grab them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them. Ruined a potentially great card.
Even for a reference cooler, they could have done MILES better. Even if it costs the consumer 10, 20, 30 bucks more it still would have been at least 70 bucks cheaper than a standard 780. Blown.

/sorry for the rant.
Did anyone think that retrofitting such a cooler on stock 290x would increase its price by ~50$ & also it'd undercut AMD's partners thereby possibly undermining their ability to potentially differentiate the said products(on this very basis) eventually leading to a less than spectacular sales for them? I mean AMD could very well be looking out for their partners unlike Nvidia which is closer to Intel in this regard!
 
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Did anyone think that retrofitting such a cooler on stock 290x would increase its price by ~50$ & also it'd undercut AMD's partners thereby possibly undermining their ability to potentially differentiate the said products(on this very basis) eventually leading to a less than spectacular sales for them? I mean AMD could well be looking out for their partners unlike Nvidia which is closer to Intel in this regard!

No I'm sorry, there isn't any "good" excuse for this. There are however, as I can see you are aware, plenty of crappy ones.
It..... should..... have..... been..... done.... right..........
AMD should have incorporated a very good reference cooler. Let the partners design breathtaking ones.
 
Opportunity blown. Loud card. Cannot cool the card well enough. Overclocking inhibited. Could have utterly ran away with the Single GPU title even so the GTX780Ti could not catch it. /Opportunity blown.

I would think so too, but sometimes the market doesn't react the way you think it ought too.

For now, it seems like AMD's gamble is paying off. Demand for the 290X is huge, it's selling out everywhere, and aftermarket editions should be out relatively fast.

That said, I agree that first impressions are important and tend to be long lasting. We won't know for sure if the stock cooler was a blown opportunity or not until we can look back at the long term effects.

If you ask me, it's going to come down to one thing: When the 780Ti comes out are review sites going to compare it to the reference 290X or will they have an aftermarket edition in the mix? AMD needs to do what Nvidia did to spoil the 6870 launch, but I'm not sure if they have that kind of pull with review sites.
 
No I'm sorry, there isn't any "good" excuse for this. There are however, as I can see you are aware, plenty of crappy ones.
An excuse is an excuse & its never good or bad however like I've stated that it just might be a cost saving "feature" & it allows AMD partners to do the necessary job in refining this beast of a card for the above average enthusiast. If you will the AIB makers could save the day for AMD & still make a pretty penny out of it which isn't such a bad thing in this low margin cut throat business.
 
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I would think so too, but sometimes the market doesn't react the way you think it ought too.

For now, it seems like AMD's gamble is paying off. Demand for the 290X is huge, it's selling out everywhere, and aftermarket editions should be out relatively fast.

That said, I agree that first impressions are important and tend to be long lasting. We won't know for sure if the stock cooler was a blown opportunity or not until we can look back at the long term effects.

If you ask me, it's going to come down to one thing: When the 780Ti comes out are review sites going to compare it to the reference 290X or will they have an aftermarket edition in the mix? AMD needs to do what Nvidia did to spoil the 6870 launch, but I'm not sure if they have that kind of pull with review sites.

Yeah, and to me, everyone who buys this "gamble" is getting shafted.
They should have just waited for the aftermarket cooler models and be much much happier.
 
No I'm sorry, there isn't any "good" excuse for this. There are however, as I can see you are aware, plenty of crappy ones.


It could use a better cooler. People are really making too big of a deal about that.

Even when it throttles down it still is faster than the 780GTX, which is what AMD said it would compete with. AMD's customers see that if you keep it cooler so it doesn't throttle down, it easily competes with Titan. It is priced well. Non-reference cards will be out soon, and then I expect to see sub $600 cards beating Titan and matching or outdoing it on the sound front too.

No I'm sorry, there isn't any "good" excuse for this. There are however, as I can see you are aware, plenty of crappy ones.
It..... should..... have..... been..... done.... right..........
AMD should have incorporated a very good reference cooler. Let the partners design breathtaking ones.

It could have used a better cooler... not nearly as big of a deal as you're making it sound here.
 
An excuse is an excuse & its never good or bad however like I've stated that it just might be a cost saving "feature" & it allows AMD partners to do the necessary job in refining this beast of a card for the above average enthusiast.

Wut?
 
Did anyone think that retrofitting such a cooler on stock 290x would increase its price by ~50$ & also it'd undercut AMD's partners thereby possibly undermining their ability to potentially differentiate the said products(on this very basis) eventually leading to a less than spectacular sales for them? I mean AMD could well be looking out for their partners unlike Nvidia which is closer to Intel in this regard!

I think the 290X is a pretty great card in terms of performance you get the buck. The performance for 550$ is nothing short of outstanding, i've said this several times. Yet I'm not so sure i'd agree with you - as far as I can tell, folks can nitpick at the power consumption but when you're eyeing a high end card a lot of people don't care about that. A lot of people do care about noise, though, and AMD could have prevented any criticism about that entirely with an improved reference cooler. But they didn't do that. It's the same or worse than the same ref cooler used since the 5870.

I also think aftermarket cards have value - despite the Titan shroud being really good, aftermarket cards still sell very well due to better thermals, better overclocking, and better noise output - even the best reference cooler doesn't hold a candle to aftermarket by those metrics. So aftermarket cards still have an audience even IF the reference shroud is very high quality. So I guess my point is, I *still* think the 290X is a great card for the money, as I said the performance is outstanding. By the same token, though, I wish they had made a better reference cooler. Judging by other reactions, the noise output is the exact same as the 6970 and 7970 reference shrouds. Come on. AMD has been using the same shroud with updated external aesthetics for like 4 years now - under the hood they're all exactly the same. Stupid. It's time for them to update it and get something better. This doesn't detract from the performance of the 290X which really is great, but they could have offset the main detraction of the card -- noise -- completely. Yet they didn't. I think aftermarket cards will fix this issue easily enough, hopefully they get here relatively soon.

Even though the noise issue is the main detraction of the card, one aspect i'm enjoying is that NV has definitely taken notice and the competition has went up a notch. Nvidia released the 3 game holiday bundle, is dropping GTX 700 prices next month, and is releasing a new SKU BECAUSE of the 290X. And who can complain about that? Unless they're a stockholder or something along those lines. I think that's great - the 290X is apparently selling pretty well despite the flaw, and this has caused nvidia to react. So the end result is, everyone -- NV and AMD fans alike - have benefited from this. Yes, it's a flawed product, it's basically AMD's Fermi. That isn't necessarily a bad thing to everyone, as the card still has value in terms of incredible performance.

Personally, i'm eagerly waiting to see what NV does in terms of vanilla 780 price drops. As I said I'm really enjoying the competition aspect - despite the flaw of the 290X, it's selling pretty well from what i've seen and NV is definitely responding to the 290X in kind next month. And that's pretty awesome from a consumer perspective IMHO.
 
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I would think so too, but sometimes the market doesn't react the way you think it ought too.

For now, it seems like AMD's gamble is paying off. Demand for the 290X is huge, it's selling out everywhere, and aftermarket editions should be out relatively fast.

That said, I agree that first impressions are important and tend to be long lasting. We won't know for sure if the stock cooler was a blown opportunity or not until we can look back at the long term effects.

If you ask me, it's going to come down to one thing: When the 780Ti comes out are review sites going to compare it to the reference 290X or will they have an aftermarket edition in the mix? AMD needs to do what Nvidia did to spoil the 6870 launch, but I'm not sure if they have that kind of pull with review sites.

Its fairly obvious that the only reason AMD are withholding aftermarket cards is because they will release them a day before the 780ti and spoil the launch. I'm sure the 780ti review guide will only allow them to use stock 290x cards though. It will be up to consumers to look across benchmarks to compare performance.
 
It could use a better cooler. People are really making too big of a deal about that.

THANK YOU!! You just made my point. Sort of.
This should have never even been in the BALLPARK of making an issue out of it.
We shouldn't even be discussing this. It should have been done right the first time. They weren't rushed, they had palunteeeee of time to get every single aspect of this right. Awesome card, awesome GPU, suck cooler. Ball dropped, yet again.
 
No I'm sorry, there isn't any "good" excuse for this. There are however, as I can see you are aware, plenty of crappy ones.
It..... should..... have..... been..... done.... right..........
AMD should have incorporated a very good reference cooler. Let the partners design breathtaking ones.
You know you're scraping for any criticism you can can muster when you're down to this nonsense. Especially when people with the card in hand are saying it isn't any different than stock solutions for other high end parts, *GASP* even from nvidia: http://www.overclock.net/t/1436497/official-amd-r9-290x-290-owners-club/1000_100#post_21066287
 
THANK YOU!! You just made my point. Sort of.
This should have never even been in the BALLPARK of making an issue out of it.
We shouldn't even be discussing this. It should have been done right the first time. They weren't rushed, they had palunteeeee of time to get every single aspect of this right. Awesome card, awesome GPU, suck cooler. Ball dropped, yet again.

everyone has got your point keys believe me.
 
Its all up to the end user, we can all debate whatever the rest of the world thinks about this card but for those who wanna buy a 290x the price & performance will decide it in the end, power/noise is a distant third in such a case besides there will always be aftermarket coolers & custom GPU's at virtually every price point to sway them potential buyers in favor of team red.
 
THANK YOU!! You just made my point. Sort of.
This should have never even been in the BALLPARK of making an issue out of it.
We shouldn't even be discussing this. It should have been done right the first time. They weren't rushed, they had palunteeeee of time to get every single aspect of this right. Awesome card, awesome GPU, suck cooler. Ball dropped, yet again.


No card on the market is perfect.

Titan and the 780GTX have a quieter cooler. They don't come close in performance per dollar as the 290X. Nvidia dropped the ball on making a perfect card.

AMD's card is louder and the GPU runs warm compared to Titan and the 780GTX. But AMD's card wipes the floor with Titan and the 780GTX in the performance per dollar category. AMD dropped the ball in making a perfect card.
 
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