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R260/270/280/290/290x Review thread

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horza said:
I understand all things being equal 57dB is 57dB but my point was that things were not equal. Sound levels reduce roughly by inverse square over distance so if the methodology changed and they were measuring from closer say then the results would be different. Why else would the 5870 be roughly 8dB louder?
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Or he was drinking a nice cup of tea in the other room while testing the GTX 580 and with his ear planted on the card with the R9 290. Figures.
 
Imouto said:
Or he was drinking a nice cup of tea in the other room while testing the GTX 580 and with his ear planted on the card with the R9 290. Figures.
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You guys really believe this stuff you're saying, don't you? Is this really how you try to rationalize things?
The card is loud as hell. Time to accept it and wait for aftermarket models. Nothing to see here beyond that.
 
krumme said:
Because there is gentle nv db and evil amd db? Thought so...
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Because dB is relative to a reference point. It's a logarithmic scale, not an absolute (log of 0 is infinitely small).

Saying something is 50dB means nothing without the reference point. Saying something is 50dB relative to something else that's 60dB means one emitting 10x the sound energy of the other (although it won't sound 10x as loud - human hearing isn't linear either).

Unless you're sure anandtech used the same reference and testing methodology in both reviews (hint, the cards present in both changing measurements suggests that no, something changed), comparing the numbers is meaningless.
 
BallaTheFeared said:
With how much flack Nvidia got over the 480, which this card easily exceeds in noise and power consumption you have to wonder...
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I'm sure AMD has gotten MORE flak so far than Fermi ever did. Every new AMD release is greeted with the same old same old, too noisy, crap cooler.. look at the 7970 Ghz ed, same story, that thing is a loud motha in comparison to everything else. Why people act all shocked is beyond me, AMD build reference cards for people to water cool, thats why they beef it up with the best VRMs and not cheap out on weak power circuitry. If people want a good air cooler, there has always been AMD partners offering great designs.

Also, not sure its as bad as you say yet...

Average gaming load, GPU only:

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Peak gaming load:
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Fan Noise:
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Now compare it to Fermi when it was released....

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For those with a keen eye, the direct competitor to the 480 was 5870, and the 480 used 100% more power for 10-15% performance advantage. Now the R290 uses 214W vs 780 199W for similar performance or slightly better, its NOT EVEN 10% extra power. The R290X uses 236W, or ~15% more power.
 
Keysplayr said:
You guys really believe this stuff you're saying, don't you? Is this really how you try to rationalize things?
The card is loud as hell. Time to accept it and wait for aftermarket models. Nothing to see here beyond that.
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Keys this is op of what real world users are saying though - you got guys running sets up with target temp 90c and fan at 70% and they say rarely goes over 55% - neither loud or hot..

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18554848&page=2

Your right matt, as i've said and even shown in pics, with my 290X @1100/1400 and fan set at 55% the card neither runs hot or loud.

I'd make a short vid if anyone was interested? uksoldierboy -
 
Keysplayr said:
You guys really believe this stuff you're saying, don't you? Is this really how you try to rationalize things?
The card is loud as hell. Time to accept it and wait for aftermarket models. Nothing to see here beyond that.
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Did I ever said it's not loud? I'm trying to point out that this particular reviewer said this card is "out of any kind of reasonable noise parameters" while the GTX 580 at the same noise was "not loud".

And please stop trying to make this a brand loyalists fight.
 
Communism said:
<<<<<<<<<<<<-========= Apparently I don't exist?People care about blower performance. It matters in far more situations than one would like to believe.
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If you want to OC you don't use reference coolers. Why this mourning over noise and reference coolers????? If it makes noise................do something about it!!! Thats not hard to do.........:whiste:
 
Imouto said:
Did I ever said it's not loud? I'm trying to point out that this particular reviewer said this card is "out of any kind of reasonable noise parameters" while the GTX 580 at the same noise was "not loud".

And please stop trying to make this a brand loyalists fight.
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It could be a different kind of noise you know. What's more appealing to you? A 55dB conversation with another person, or nails on a chalkboard? The perception could be that the nails on a chalkboard is FAR louder due to it's revolting sound (to many people anyway).

Consider that before you assume that the GTX580 sounds exactly like a 290 at the same dB. Things aren't always so black and white.

"And please stop trying to make this a brand loyalists fight."

I can assure you that I am not.
 
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krumme said:
Wellcome to the new world. At high res this 400usd card will be competitive with 780ti and in cf probably be faster and especially smoother. Then add amd drivers is working for 4k while nv drivers is still a mess here. This card is a champ. 780ti is rendered useless before it hits. This is just great.
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:thumbsup: exactly what I think also.
 
GTX780 performance for $100 less? Thank you so much AMD. 🙂
GTX780 suddenly doesnt like like an awesome bang for the buck right now and it will only get worse when custom 290s with cooler temps and lower noise reach the market.

Easily beats Titan and 290X when OCed, and thats with reference cooler:

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Sweepr said:
GTX780 performance for $100 less? Thank you so much AMD. 🙂
GTX780 suddenly doesnt like like an awesome bang for the buck right now and it will only get worse when custom 290s with coller temps and lower noise reach the market.
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780 still comes with 3 free games, and has aftermarket cards available as well as better acoustics.

A ACX for $500 with three free triple A titles, or a Windforce 3 for $510 with the same bundle seem like better values to me.

Reference vs reference you have a to consider 36 db for the 780 and 49db for the 290.

Out of the box without the bundles Nvidia has a problem (which they could probably solve with a driver that increases fan speed like AMD did), overclocking looks like a different story however and the lack of aftermarket cards favors Nvidia considerably.


The only card this release nullified was the R290X, which is just in no mans land at $550.

After market 780s come out of the box faster than Uber 290x, and provide similar performance to reference 290 overclocked before being overclocked
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Well I bit on this. 780 performance for $400. Should last me at least 2 years and can someone point me to the bf4 benchmarks? I had to order so fast I barely got time to pass over anand's review. 😎:thumbsup:
 
selni said:
Because dB is relative to a reference point. It's a logarithmic scale, not an absolute (log of 0 is infinitely small).

Saying something is 50dB means nothing without the reference point. Saying something is 50dB relative to something else that's 60dB means one emitting 10x the sound energy of the other (although it won't sound 10x as loud - human hearing isn't linear either).

Unless you're sure anandtech used the same reference and testing methodology in both reviews (hint, the cards present in both changing measurements suggests that no, something changed), comparing the numbers is meaningless.
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I build my own dipole speaker, dac and amp, so i know all that. The numbers for db is often useless anyway even under same condition for varies reasons.

The card performs faster - yes faster than 780 - and certainly will when bf4 and all the new mantle titles hits. This 1080p testning with old games is a little off imho. The minority that buys non ref cards often use water. All this noise is blown out of proportions no matter the context.

- people can wait for non ref cards and get low noise titan+ perf for 399.
- people can buy now, use headphones, and get titan+ perf for 399.
- people that are not noise sensitive, like Brent, can do what they want and get titan+ perf for 399

And then all this crying. How evil this world is.

When was the last time we got steller and more futureproof performance like this for so little?
 
krumme said:
When was the last time we got steller and more futureproof performance like this for so little?
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There is nothing future proof about the 290, it will be slower than next gen mid range products that sell for half as much unless TSMC 20nm is nothing short of garbage.
 
AMDs fan and housing isn't as good as Nvidia's, even at equal RPM AMDs fan will have more noise feedback than Nvidia's because you will hear wobbling and other issues from the AMD fan that aren't present with the Nvidia fan.
 
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