R-Rated Movies with PG-13 Sequels

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Chiropteran

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Whats the deal?

The reason to go for a PG-13 rating instead of R is to make it accessible to a wider audience, right?

How many people are going to see a sequel when they haven't seen the original?

If someone has seen the original R-rated movie, why would making the sequel PG-13 make it any more accessible?

In support of my opinion, look at ANY PG-13 sequel of a movie that is originally R-rated, they are all horrible failures.

Robocop- Rated R, Decent movie
Robocop 2- Rated R, bad
Robocop 3- PG-13, worse

Conan the Barbarian- Rated R, good for it's time
Conan the Destroyer- Rated PG, terribly fake and dumbed down

The Whole Nine Yards- Rated R, did decently well
The Whole Ten Yards- PG-13, flop

Speed- Rated R, good fun movie
Speed 2- PG-13, did anyone even watch this?


What is the point of going for a "lesser" rating on a sequel? Do the film producers really think that kids who couldn't watch the original are going to go see the sequel?
 
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Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Whats the deal?

The reason to go for a PG-13 rating instead of R is to make it accessible to a wider audience, right?

How many people are going to see a sequel when they haven't seen the original?

If someone has seen the original R-rated movie, why would making the sequel PG-13 make it any more accessible?

In support of my opinion, look at ANY PG-13 sequel of a movie that is originally R-rated, they are all horrible failures.

Robocop- Rated R, Decent movie
Robocop 2- Rated R, bad
Robocop 3- PG-13, worse

Conan the Barbarian- Rated R, good for it's time
Conan the Destroyer- Rated PG, terribly fake and dumbed down

The Whole Nine Yards- Rated R, did decently well
The Whole Ten Yards- PG-13, flop

Speed- Rated R, good fun movie
Speed 2- PG-13, did anyone even watch this?


What is the point of going for a "lesser" rating on a sequel? Do the film producers really think that kids who couldn't watch the original are going to go see the sequel?
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The fact that you label Robocop 2 as a bad movie disqualifies the rest of your post.
 
Gooberlx2

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Yep, all money whoring. The latest Die Hard was PG-13 in the theaters for the kid audience, then they released the unrated version on DVD for the adults. They probably expected fans of the series wouldn't purchase a Barney version.
 
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Others: T3, AvP(not technically a sequal, but close enough), and Die Hard 4.

They do it for increased screen coverage. Some theatres refuse(or greatly resist) running "R" rated movies. Plus the age limit itself is prohibitive of ticket sales.
 
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Originally posted by: Aikouka
I thought the Die Hard series would be mentioned in here.
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yeah, it was dissapointing the last one was pg-13, but it was still decent. it did bring in a lot of people to see the movie though
 
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Chiropteran

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
I thought the Die Hard series would be mentioned in here.
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I saw the most recent Die Hard on DVD, which I guess was the unrated version. I didn't even realize there was some stupid PG-13 theater version.
 
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Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Whats the deal?

The reason to go for a PG-13 rating instead of R is to make it accessible to a wider audience, right?

How many people are going to see a sequel when they haven't seen the original?

If someone has seen the original R-rated movie, why would making the sequel PG-13 make it any more accessible?

In support of my opinion, look at ANY PG-13 sequel of a movie that is originally R-rated, they are all horrible failures.

Robocop- Rated R, Decent movie
Robocop 2- Rated R, bad
Robocop 3- PG-13, worse

Conan the Barbarian- Rated R, good for it's time
Conan the Destroyer- Rated PG, terribly fake and dumbed down

The Whole Nine Yards- Rated R, did decently well
The Whole Ten Yards- PG-13, flop

Speed- Rated R, good fun movie
Speed 2- PG-13, did anyone even watch this?


What is the point of going for a "lesser" rating on a sequel? Do the film producers really think that kids who couldn't watch the original are going to go see the sequel?
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You're making 2 false arguments here. One, that the sequels were bad only because they were rated PG-13, which obviously isn't the case. Dropping a few more F-bombs wasn't going to save Speed 2, and nobody wanted to see The Whole Ten Yards regardless of what it was rated.

Two, you're assuming that producers are always targeting a rating, rather than just making the movie they want to make and it happens to get a PG-13 rating. Again, going back and adding more cursing or whatever isn't going to make anything better.


Also, as someone else said, Robocop 2 was not a bad movie.


 
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Chiropteran

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Originally posted by: Slick5150


You're making 2 false arguments here. One, that the sequels were bad only because they were rated PG-13, which obviously isn't the case.
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Perhaps not, but it seems to be a pretty solid indicator. All bad sequels are not rated lower than the original, but all lower rated sequels are bad.

Originally posted by: Slick5150


Two, you're assuming that producers are always targeting a rating, rather than just making the movie they want to make and it happens to get a PG-13 rating. Again, going back and adding more cursing or whatever isn't going to make anything better.
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I can't disagree more. Maybe the producer doesn't go and make "Die Hard" planning on an r-rating, but they do plan on having a certain level of violence and blood and "reality". Whether it is to receive a rating or to keep a consistent level of reality between movies, the producer ultimately does determine the rating of the sequels. Consciously choosing to reduce the realistic violence from one movie to the next in the same series doesn't make sense for any reason other than reducing the MPAA Rating.


Originally posted by: Slick5150

Also, as someone else said, Robocop 2 was not a bad movie.
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I disagree, but it's not really part of my main point anyway, as it was Rated-R.
 
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"wow, look at how well this movie did with an R rating!. Imagine how much more money we could make if it was rated PG-13! We could get tons of teens to go see it also!"
 
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AVP 1 was rated PG-13 and sucked.

I didn't see AVP2 though but it was rated R.
 
Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: lokiju
AVP 1 was rated PG-13 and sucked.

I didn't see AVP2 though but it was rated R.
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AVP2 was much better in every respect...but still underwhelming.
 
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I also find it dumb but those were terrible examples.

The idea is obviously to get a wider audience. It's easier for a kid to get an R-rated DVD than it is getting into an R rated movie. So chances are the kids have seen the original and if they like it would likely goto see a sequel.
 
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Bryophyte

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Did any of the original R-rated movies predate the PG-13 rating? I remember when there wasn't such a thing as PG-13, and a lot of R movies really didn't merit it, but were too violent or profane for PG. My son was amazed that I let him watch Terminator, since it's R-rated, but by today's standards, it barely meets a PG-13 rating.
 
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The ratings board is a sham. I think they'll typically cozy up to major studios and coach them through getting a PG-13 rating for their movie. There's assinine formulas for blood+language that they apply to each movie to determine the rating (I don't mention nudity because if you show a nipple I think you're in R territory no matter what. Nipples are evil...)
 
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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Whats the deal?

The reason to go for a PG-13 rating instead of R is to make it accessible to a wider audience, right?

How many people are going to see a sequel when they haven't seen the original?

If someone has seen the original R-rated movie, why would making the sequel PG-13 make it any more accessible?

In support of my opinion, look at ANY PG-13 sequel of a movie that is originally R-rated, they are all horrible failures.

Robocop- Rated R, Decent movie
Robocop 2- Rated R, bad
Robocop 3- PG-13, worse

Conan the Barbarian- Rated R, good for it's time
Conan the Destroyer- Rated PG, terribly fake and dumbed down

The Whole Nine Yards- Rated R, did decently well
The Whole Ten Yards- PG-13, flop

Speed- Rated R, good fun movie
Speed 2- PG-13, did anyone even watch this?


What is the point of going for a "lesser" rating on a sequel? Do the film producers really think that kids who couldn't watch the original are going to go see the sequel?
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The fact that you label Robocop 2 as a bad movie disqualifies the rest of your post.
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The fact that he didn't label Conan the Barbarian as the greatest movie ever made disqualifies the rest of his post.

 
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Originally posted by: armstrda
Two words... Major League
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OP should be tarred and feathered for not including the obvious worst fall of from first movie to second. and wasn't there a third movie?
 
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MixMasterTang

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When R-rated franchises go PG-13

Alien (1979; R)
Aliens (1986; R)
Predator (1987; R)
Predator 2 (1990; R)
Alien3 (1992; R)
Alien Resurrection (1997; R)
Alien Vs. Predator (2004; PG-13)


The Amityville Horror (1979; R)
Amityville II: The Possession (1982; R)
Amityville 3-D (1983; PG)


Mad Max (1979; R)
Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (1981; R)
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985; PG-13)


Conan the Barbarian (1982; R)
Conan the Destroyer (1984; PG)
Red Sonja (1985; PG-13)


Police Academy (1984; R)
Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment (1985; PG-13)
Police Academy 3: Back in Training (1986; PG)
Police Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol (1987; PG)
Police Academy 5: Assignment: Miami Beach (1988; PG)
Police Academy 6: City Under Siege (1989; PG)
Police Academy: Mission to Moscow (1994; PG)


Highlander (1986; R)
Highlander II: The Quickening (1991; R)
Highlander III: The Sorcerer (1994; PG-13, re-edited R)
Highlander: Endgame (2000; R)


Robocop (1987; X, re-edited R)
Robocop 2 (1990; R)
Robocop 3 (1992; PG-13)


Speed (1994; R)
Speed 2: Cruise Control (1997; PG-13)


Elizabeth (1998; R)
Elizabeth: The Golden Age (2007; PG-13)


Pitch Black (2000; R)
The Chronicles of Riddick (2004; R, re-edited PG-13)


Scary Movie (2000; R)
Scary Movie 2 (2001; R)
Scary Movie 3 (2003; PG-13)
Scary Movie 4 (2006; PG-13)
 
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