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Atreus21 said:
Well let's see. He's an assassin. He's a tyrant without term limits. He's ex-kgb. You can't trust a word from his mouth. He annexed Crimea.

And that's without googling.
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Alright so lets see... As someone born in the Soviet Union, and knowing much more about these things than you ever will, I can honestly tell you the following:

1) Putin is not an assassin and did not kill anyone. It's lies made up by CNN.

2)How is he a "tyrant"? The majority of Russians populace love him. Can you say that about YOUR president? There will always be thousands of unhappy people, but that's in every country.

3)Since when is ex-kgb bad by definition? To me that's a good thing. KGB training made him extremely smart, extremely strong mentally, and resistant to bullshit coming from CNN.

4)Why cant you trust a word from his mouth? Did CNN tell you that? Obviously he lies a lot. So does your president. But he says plenty of truth as well.

5)He did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea is RUSSIAN. Crimeans VOTED overwhelmingly and DEMOCRATICALLY in favor of joining Russia. Annex? How is it annexing if he didn't oppress anyone? Didn't kill anyone?! They joined willingly and happily! Are you just going to bitch about the fact that Ukraine did not consent to this?

Well then, lets talk about how Native Americans did not consent to the colonists "annexing" their lands. Lets talk about how Mexicans weren't happy about Texas being "annexed". Shall I continue?
 
ibex333 said:
Alright so lets see... As someone born in the Soviet Union, and knowing much more about these things than you ever will, I can honestly tell you the following:

1) Putin is not an assassin and did not kill anyone. It's lies made up by CNN.

2)How is he a "tyrant"? The majority of Russians populace love him. Can you say that about YOUR president? There will always be thousands of unhappy people, but that's in every country.

3)Since when is ex-kgb bad by definition? To me that's a good thing. KGB training made him extremely smart, extremely strong mentally, and resistant to bullshit coming from CNN.

4)Why cant you trust a word from his mouth? Did CNN tell you that? Obviously he lies a lot. So does your president. But he says plenty of truth as well.

5)He did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea is RUSSIAN. Crimeans VOTED overwhelmingly and DEMOCRATICALLY in favor of joining Russia. Annex? How is it annexing if he didn't oppress anyone? Didn't kill anyone?! They joined willingly and happily! Are you just going to bitch about the fact that Ukraine did not consent to this?

Well then, lets talk about how Native Americans did not consent to the colonists "annexing" their lands. Lets talk about how Mexicans weren't happy about Texas being "annexed". Shall I continue?
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fwiw, you are NEVER going to live this admission down.
 
ibex333 said:
Alright so lets see... As someone born in the Soviet Union, and knowing much more about these things than you ever will, I can honestly tell you the following:

1) Putin is not an assassin and did not kill anyone. It's lies made up by CNN.

2)How is he a "tyrant"? The majority of Russians populace love him. Can you say that about YOUR president? There will always be thousands of unhappy people, but that's in every country.

3)Since when is ex-kgb bad by definition? To me that's a good thing. KGB training made him extremely smart, extremely strong mentally, and resistant to bullshit coming from CNN.

4)Why cant you trust a word from his mouth? Did CNN tell you that? Obviously he lies a lot. So does your president. But he says plenty of truth as well.

5)He did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea is RUSSIAN. Crimeans VOTED overwhelmingly and DEMOCRATICALLY in favor of joining Russia. Annex? How is it annexing if he didn't oppress anyone? Didn't kill anyone?! They joined willingly and happily! Are you just going to bitch about the fact that Ukraine did not consent to this?

Well then, lets talk about how Native Americans did not consent to the colonists "annexing" their lands. Lets talk about how Mexicans weren't happy about Texas being "annexed". Shall I continue?
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If Putin hasn’t killed anyone can you help us understand why his critics have such a bad habit of dying by novel means, many of which are only available to the Russian government? Are they just really unlucky?
 
fskimospy said:
If Putin hasn’t killed anyone can you help us understand why his critics have such a bad habit of dying by novel means, many of which are only available to the Russian government? Are they just really unlucky?
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There are plenty of people in Russia and elsewhere in the world, that would have these folks die. Why blame everything directly on Putin?
 
ibex333 said:
Alright so lets see... As someone born in the Soviet Union, and knowing much more about these things than you ever will, I can honestly tell you the following:

1) Putin is not an assassin and did not kill anyone. It's lies made up by CNN.

2)How is he a "tyrant"? The majority of Russians populace love him. Can you say that about YOUR president? There will always be thousands of unhappy people, but that's in every country.

3)Since when is ex-kgb bad by definition? To me that's a good thing. KGB training made him extremely smart, extremely strong mentally, and resistant to bullshit coming from CNN.

4)Why cant you trust a word from his mouth? Did CNN tell you that? Obviously he lies a lot. So does your president. But he says plenty of truth as well.

5)He did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea is RUSSIAN. Crimeans VOTED overwhelmingly and DEMOCRATICALLY in favor of joining Russia. Annex? How is it annexing if he didn't oppress anyone? Didn't kill anyone?! They joined willingly and happily! Are you just going to bitch about the fact that Ukraine did not consent to this?

Well then, lets talk about how Native Americans did not consent to the colonists "annexing" their lands. Lets talk about how Mexicans weren't happy about Texas being "annexed". Shall I continue?
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Thats fantastic... We really need some ppl here from "the other side" NOT out of a troll factory.
I agree on the points that makes him a smart cunning leader.. I would love for someone like that to be my head of state, if not for those pesky issues allready raised. I do not believe Russia to be a democracy and I do believe Putin to be a dictator.. If he would win those elections fair and square... And common, Crimea? Ok, if it didnt happen in the same timeframe as eastern Ukraine, the coup (an Ukrainian matter, dethroning another Putin puppet), Donetsk, the charter etc etc.. From a geopolitical viewpoint is pretty obvious whats going on...
 
ibex333 said:
There are plenty of people in Russia and elsewhere in the world, that would have these folks die. Why blame everything directly on Putin?
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How many of them have access to polonium and government controlled nerve agents? Again, can you explain why Putin's critics seem to die in such novel ways that only the Russian government could plausibly commit? Are they just super, super unlucky?
 
fskimospy said:
If Putin hasn’t killed anyone can you help us understand why his critics have such a bad habit of dying by novel means, many of which are only available to the Russian government? Are they just really unlucky?
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Maybe they were all friends of Doctor Mumford?
 
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