R.I.P. Chris Benoit

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
methinks they are protesting too much.

Ever actually see someone going through roid rage? Very little premeditation going on, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Not to mention I don't see a picture of pure rage coinciding with the deliberate murders of two loved family members a day apart. I would be willing, at this point, to say yes, I'm pretty sure steroids did not play a part in this terrible event.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: hdeck
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DonVito
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: moshquerade
methinks they are protesting too much.</end quote></div>

Definitely. If the WWE were genuinely steroid-free, or even concerned with eliminating steroids from the "sport," they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the notion that these deaths were caused, at least in part, by steroids.</end quote></div>

they have had drug testing in place for i think 2 years now. many people have been caught & punished/fired. benoit was last given a drug test on april 10 and the results were negative. they don't exactly have the funds to test these guys every week.

they dont have the funds? The most popular cable television program, that has no "off-season" and major shows 3-4 days a week?

 

[Nightfall]

There are a bunch of reasons why this guy killed his family and then himself. It could have been mental illness or depression for that matter. It could be that this guy was a religious nut job that decided his family was impure and he himself was impure as well. Either way, whats done is done. Its over, time to move on.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: hdeck
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DonVito
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: moshquerade
methinks they are protesting too much.</end quote></div>

Definitely. If the WWE were genuinely steroid-free, or even concerned with eliminating steroids from the "sport," they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the notion that these deaths were caused, at least in part, by steroids.</end quote></div>

they have had drug testing in place for i think 2 years now. many people have been caught & punished/fired. benoit was last given a drug test on april 10 and the results were negative. they don't exactly have the funds to test these guys every week.

actually yes they do. Titan sports makes a lot of money. they just refuse to spend it on testing.

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: moshquerade
methinks they are protesting too much.</end quote></div>

Ever actually see someone going through roid rage? Very little premeditation going on, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Not to mention I don't see a picture of pure rage coinciding with the deliberate murders of two loved family members a day apart. I would be willing, at this point, to say yes, I'm pretty sure steroids did not play a part in this terrible event.

i have to agree. but the fact it was not roid rage and a premeditated murder makes it worse.

 

[hdeck]

the nfl makes more money than wwe and they aren't doing weekly tests. can't exactly use how much money they are making as a reason they should do weekly tests.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: waggy

i have to agree. but the fact it was not roid rage and a premeditated murder makes it worse.

just because it wasn't roid rage doesn't mean it was predetermined. could have been any other number of drugs or some kind of mental breakdown.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: hdeck
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: waggy

i have to agree. but the fact it was not roid rage and a premeditated murder makes it worse.

</end quote></div>

just because it wasn't roid rage doesn't mean it was predetermined. could have been any other number of drugs or some kind of mental breakdown.

true. but time will tell. the fact he took the time to tie her up and then soffacate her hten go do it to the child says something.

may be mental damage though. he has taken a LOT of shots to the head over the years.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: hdeck
the nfl makes more money than wwe and they aren't doing weekly tests. can't exactly use how much money they are making as a reason they should do weekly tests.

then you shouldnt have brought up the fact they don't have the fudns if you don't want us mentioning how much money they do have.


they have the funds. they just choose not to do it.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: waggy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hdeck
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: waggy

i have to agree. but the fact it was not roid rage and a premeditated murder makes it worse.

</end quote></div>

just because it wasn't roid rage doesn't mean it was predetermined. could have been any other number of drugs or some kind of mental breakdown.

</end quote></div>

true. but time will tell. the fact he took the time to tie her up and then soffacate her hten go do it to the child says something.

may be mental damage though. he has taken a LOT of shots to the head over the years.

Yeah, I mean, I would have to say that there HAD to be SOMETHING wrong upstairs. Like I said before, a SANE person doesn't murder their loved ones. Mental health, other drugs, who knows. Awful no matter what. I won't condemn the guy to Hell.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Every time a wrestler dies, "ooh, was it steroids." But the real dirty secret of pro wrestling is prescription painkillers. Benoit was not exactly young. His body, like every other 40 year old longtime wrestler or football player, was almost certainly beat to hell. If you're going to speculate, some combination of clinical depression (possibly secondary to chronic pain) and addiction to painkillers would be where you should start.

I don't doubt that Benoit was actively using illegally-obtained anabolic substances, just like most pro wrestlers, especially in light of the news that he was self medicating his 7 year old with his stash of growth hormone <shudder>. But the pyschotic, homicidal roid rage that they teach to naive junior high kids during the anti-drug lectures in PE is a figment of somebody's imagination. People who are assholes on steroids were generally assholes before steroids.

The media loves all stereotypes about steroids. If you actually start looking for substantive peer-reviewed evidence about all these horrors of steroids, you don't find much. Mainstream media's reporting on steroids is usually worthless, or worse, blatantly wrong.

 

[moshquerade]

This is for all of you who want to poo poo the idea that steroids could not have played a part in these senseless killings:

'Roid rage' questions surround Benoit murder-suicide
POSTED: 5:29 p.m. EDT, June 27, 2007

? Performance steroids found in wrestler's home; toxicology report pending
? Physician: Steroids linked to psychosis, anti-social behavior, depression
? Benoit's wrestling group discounts suggestions of so-called "roid rage"
? Police: Wrestler strangled wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son, hanged himself


FAYETTEVILLE, Georgia (CNN) -- The discovery of anabolic steroids in pro-wrestler Chris Benoit's home has raised speculation that the performance-enhancing drugs may be linked to his death and the killings of his wife and young son.

The 40-year-old champion strangled his wife, Nancy Benoit, and suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel, authorities said, before he hanged himself on a portable weight machine inside his lavish home outside Atlanta. Police have said no motive has been determined.

"A lot of prescription medication" was found in the home, including anabolic steroids, said Fayette County Sheriff Lt. Tommy Pope. (Watch the house where Chris Benoit, police say, killed his wife and son Video)

But authorities were still waiting on toxicology reports, which could take several weeks, to determine what, if any, medication was found in the bodies.

Chris Benoit was a pro-wrestler for 22 years and star of World Wrestling Entertainment, which strongly denounced any suggestion that steroid use could be connected to the tragedy.

The WWE said Benoit tested negative for drugs during an independently administered evaluation on April 10.

CNN Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said Wednesday that it may never be known whether the deaths were linked to steroids or so-called "roid-rage."

"The drugs said to be found in the home are a synthetic form of testosterone," Gupta said. "A lot of people use it to build muscle mass, but there are longstanding known relationships between the steroids and roid rage. It could lead to psychosis and anti-social behavior and depression."

But the WWE said evidence gathered in the investigation indicates "deliberation, not rage."

"The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death," said a statement posted on the company's Web site. "By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage."

Investigators found the bodies of Nancy and Daniel Benoit with Bibles placed next to them, authorities have said. "The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage," said the WWE.

Former professional wrestler Del Wilkes said athletes use steroids to gain strength and size, which are key to success in the wrestling world. But he warned that the drugs sometimes come with "moments of uncontrollable rage."

"You can feel it coming on but there's nothing you can do about it," Wilkes said. "The next thing you know, a minor argument has gone into a full-fledged rage, when you've got your hands around somebody's neck. You're in a fight and doing things you wouldn't normally do."

Wilkes also said the drugs can also cause "tremendous" depression "when guys are coming off steroids after they've been on it for a long period of time."

An official who is part of the investigation told CNN that Benoit's name was on receipts that indicated he had purchased shipments of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from Signature Pharmacy, an Orlando, Florida, facility that is at the center of a nationwide investigation into the sale of illegal steroids.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/27/wrestler/

 

[slimrhcp]

I'd venture to guess not much research in the field of anabolics was done before people started posting in this thread. The issue should be personal accountabilty, not supplementation. It should come as no surprise, that even though there is a Drug Policy now in the WWE, much of the talent is still on steroids. That's just the nature of the industry. I wonder why there aren't other news stories of wrestlers, body builders, pro atheletes, or any one else who would be likely to use anabolic substances. Maybe because anabolics are safe if used properly, and in the hands of mentally stable people. WWE has always been an easy target to pick on in the media. Unfortunately this will become an unjust crusade against responsible use of supplements, the WWE, and pro wrestling in general. I'm anticipating attacks on other popular supplements like creatine and ephedrine in the coming days and weeks. People need to think for themselves, and not listen to what's spoon-fed to them by the media.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Apparently an unknown user in Stamford, CT (home of the WWE) posted a Wikipedia entry indicating that Chris Benoit's wife was dead. The strange part is that the entry was made 13 hours before her body was found. What a crazy world we live in . . .

 

[elmro]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Apparently an unknown user in Stamford, CT (home of the WWE) posted a Wikipedia entry indicating that Chris Benoit's wife was dead. The strange part is that the entry was made 13 hours before her body was found. What a crazy world we live in . . .

I read some interesting speculation on this in a digg comment that was posted. The person speculated that a circle of WWE employees knew that Nancy was dead on Sunday - but they kept it hush-hush in order to not disrupt their Sunday night Pay-Per-View. It seems plausible to me.

 

[montypythizzle]

Did you guys hear about his son having Fragile-X syndrome? I guess it is some kind of retardation. That is supposedly what the steroids were for.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle
Did you guys hear about his son having Fragile-X syndrome? I guess it is some kind of retardation. That is supposedly what the steroids were for.

yeap. teh child was under sized with some mental retardation.


now the question is where they for the child? did he have a doctor over seeing it?

 

[montypythizzle]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: waggy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: montypythizzle
Did you guys hear about his son having Fragile-X syndrome? I guess it is some kind of retardation. That is supposedly what the steroids were for.</end quote></div>

yeap. teh child was under sized with some mental retardation.


now the question is where they for the child? did he have a doctor over seeing it?

</end quote></div>

What I heard is that the doctor prescribed them for him.
As much as I always agree with ole Bill O'Reily, I have to disagree with him by saying it is just fine to give kids intravenous supplements. ( I guess his nit pick was that "OMGEEZERS, no injecting kids with IVs..")

 

[Bucks]

Check this out http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/wrestler.ap/index.html ....apparently someone put this info about the wife's death on Wikipedia 13 hours before the bodies were discovered

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Bucks
Check this out http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/wrestler.ap/index.html ....apparently someone put this info about the wife's death on Wikipedia 13 hours before the bodies were discovered

I posted that very info just a few posts above yours.

 

[montypythizzle]

Originally posted by: Bucks
Check this out http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/28/wrestler.ap/index.html ....apparently someone put this info about the wife's death on Wikipedia 13 hours before the bodies were discovered

Check up 5 posts before you.

 

[Blayze]

Originally posted by: elmro
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DonVito
Apparently an unknown user in Stamford, CT (home of the WWE) posted a Wikipedia entry indicating that Chris Benoit's wife was dead. The strange part is that the entry was made 13 hours before her body was found. What a crazy world we live in . . .</end quote></div>

I read some interesting speculation on this in a digg comment that was posted. The person speculated that a circle of WWE employees knew that Nancy was dead on Sunday - but they kept it hush-hush in order to not disrupt their Sunday night Pay-Per-View. It seems plausible to me.

Thats pretty sick if true.

The news of this is horrible. I really feel sorry for his wife and child, and the family members/friends that have to deal with the aftermath.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Ok, maybe I'm a little lost here as I haven't been following this story at all. To tell the truth I hardly know what's going on here.

That being said; "R.I.P Chris Benoit" ??? Didn't this guy allegedly kill his wife and child? R.I.H. or perhaps R.I.A.F and I'm with you. R.I.P? Wtf is wrong with you op?

 

[Blayze]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Ok, maybe I'm a little lost here as I haven't been following this story at all. To tell the truth I hardly know what's going on here.

That being said; "R.I.P Chris Benoit" ??? Didn't this guy allegedly kill his wife and child? R.I.H. or perhaps R.I.A.F and I'm with you. R.I.P? Wtf is wrong with you op?

Probably posted before the news that Chris was the one who killed them. Same way the WWE ran a 3 hour tribute to him Monday.

 

[Dean]

I'm wondering who will now come out of the woodwork now claiming they are his illegitimate son in order to try to get his probable sizable estate.

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle
Did you guys hear about his son having Fragile-X syndrome? I guess it is some kind of retardation. That is supposedly what the steroids were for.

FYI Benoit was giving his son HGH, not anabolic steroids. Big difference between the two.