Quiz: Why does Trump not release his Tax returns?

[brycejones]

Civil trial. Your gal is being investigated by the FBI for crimes. People involved are getting immunity, doesn't look good.

Any 60 days now.......

 

[Bowfinger]

Any 60 days now.......

It's a dumb duhversion anyway. The FBI isn't in the habit of announcing criminal investigations until they're complete. Something about tipping off the suspects and giving them time to destroy evidence. Their advance disclosure of their investigation into State's email practices, including Clinton, was the exception. And say what you will about Clinton, at least she wasn't involved with organized crime. She's not afraid to release her taxes because it may expose illegal prostitution and drug trafficking.

 

[ivwshane]

It's a dumb duhversion anyway. The FBI isn't in the habit of announcing criminal investigations until they're complete. Something about tipping off the suspects and giving them time to destroy evidence. Their advance disclosure of their investigation into State's email practices, including Clinton, was the exception. And say what you will about Clinton, at least she wasn't involved with organized crime. She's not afraid to release her taxes because it may expose illegal prostitution and drug trafficking.

If anything Clinton will be found guilty of not crossing her T's and dotting her i's. Cry me a river.

 

[buckshot24]

She's not afraid to release her taxes because it may expose illegal prostitution and drug trafficking.

All the pimps and drug dealers I know always claim that income, so you're probably right.

 

[buckshot24]

If anything Clinton will be found guilty of not crossing her T's and dotting her i's. Cry me a river.

What if it was a deliberate attempt to avoid the FOIA act?

 

[ivwshane]

What if it was a deliberate attempt to avoid the FOIA act?

If that was something that can be proven with evidence then that would be very disturbing.

 

[Bowfinger]

All the pimps and drug dealers I know always claim that income, so you're probably right.

Or they're filing fraudulent tax returns. Are you suggesting Trump won't release his returns because they're fraudulent?

 

[Fern]

Trump won't release his returns because they'll reveal his mob ties. It's well documented that he's involved in drugs and illegal prostitution, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more dirt there. Either that, or Trump submitted fraudulent returns that conceal his illegal activities. Either way, he's a crook.

Holy Hillary email thread!

You seem to have a different level of required evidence to believe Trump is a crook vs Hillary and her email problem. I wonder why that is.

Bingo.

Fern

 

[soundforbjt]

Holy Hillary email thread!



Bingo.

Fern

Maybe he's referring to this

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

 

[Bowfinger]

Holy Hillary email thread!

Bingo.

Fern

Ding! Ding! Ding! That is my point. Yes, these allegations against Trump are unproven. So are those against Clinton. The difference is the people who accept the anti-Clinton innuendo and speculation as gospel, even though they reject those against Trump. It's the usual partisan hypocrisy.

Maybe he's referring to this

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

Yes, among many others. There's a lot of suspicious smoke in Trump's world. Some of it seems pretty serious. How much is actually fire? We're not really sure ... just like Clinton.

 

[Fern]

Question:

Why does Trump not release his tax return?

Possible answers:

A) Trump's tax return, by an incredible coincidence, contains a number combination that translates into an insult to the Bambura race on the planet Zarthos. Releasing it would mean war. Since the Bambura are 500 million years more advanced than us, it would mean the sure end of all civilization on Earth.

B) Any other explanation that is entirely far-fetched but somehow tries to justify why he doesn't do it

C) Because Trump never paid a penny in taxes

Do you know the correct answer? I do.

If those are the only options you could think of I highly doubt your claim of knowing the 'correct answer".

There are two reasons I like to see tax returns released. Otherwise I don't care:

1. Using the influence and power of political office to unethically (or illegally) enrich one's self. E.g., Harry Reid's purported 'fishy' land deals and/or steering large fed contracts to your family etc.

Trump has never held office so this concern is nonexistent.

2. Cheating on your taxes. An example here would be Secretary of Treasury (which oversees the IRS) nominee Timothy Geithner. Geithner prepared his own tax returns and took bogus deductions.

If Trump is audited by the IRS as claimed this concern is nonexistent. Furthermore, I see no way that Trump could prepare his own tax returns. Anybody who has a well known and respected professional firm preparing their tax returns is exempt from this concern as the CPA's and tax attorneys aren't going to commit fraud for them. Now, somebody having such a great number of businesses operating here and abroad is legitimately going to have areas of professional disagreement with the IRS. This, however, is the domain of the professionals preparing the tax returns and not the client (Trump in this case).

I think a good and/or likely reason for him to not release his tax returns is, like Romney, details will get spun and become a huge distraction. Romney's returns were prepared by Price Waterhouse, the prestigious large international CPA firm. They were legit yet he got crucified for his tax rate. The poor guy was a politician at the state level only and had no influence whatsoever over (federal) tax laws or rates so the criticism was BS.

If Trump asked me I'd tell him not to release them because there's no valid reason for doing so and the info will be spun and distorted to no end.

BTW: Anybody claiming that his tax returns are going to reveal illegal drug and prostitution operations or mafia involvement is a moron. This is not because I claim that Trump is not involved in such but because this information would not be displayed in Trump's case.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Ding! Ding! Ding! That is my point. Yes, these allegations against Trump are unproven. So are those against Clinton. The difference is the people who accept the anti-Clinton innuendo and speculation as gospel, even though they reject those against Trump. It's the usual partisan hypocrisy.
-snip-

Please.

Plenty of allegations against Hillary have been proven. Just ask the IG.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Maybe he's referring to this

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

Sure.

I've no problem with suspicions of involvement of some sort with mafia etc. In fact, I see no way around it given his businesses (construction and casino gambling) and the locations he operates in (NYC, Las Vegas and Atlantic City). It's unavoidable and that's a fact of life.

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

Please.

Plenty of allegations against Hillary have been proven. Just ask the IG.

Fern

Yes, some were proven in the last week. Note that I've stopped referring to his specific findings as speculation. That's the way it works: your claims remain speculation and innuendo until proved or disproved by facts from an investigation. But the major assertions catapulted to attack Clinton were not addressed by the IG, including those about classified information. They are still speculation and innuendo, recklessly accepted as fact by the RNC faithful.

 

[Bowfinger]

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BTW: Anybody claiming that his tax returns are going to reveal illegal drug and prostitution operations or mafia involvement is a moron. This is not because I claim that Trump is not involved in such but because this information would not displayed in Trump's case.

Fern

Oh, Fern. You wound me deeply. If only you and your buddies were equally scrupulous when discussing Clinton's email.

😀


Edit: To get back on topic, the main reason for Trump to release his tax returns is because he said he would, and he told Romney he should. For Trump to fail to do so makes him a hypocrite and a liar. (No doubt endearing him to his followers even more. They love being lied to.)

As far as what sort of dirt may be buried in Trump's returns, all we can do is speculate.

 

[DrPizza]

How many failures has Gates had? Buffett? Munger? Icahn? Leon Black? Larry Fink?

Unless I'm mistaken, Trump holds the record over the last 40 years or so for number of bankruptcy filings. So, Gates, Buffett, Munger, Icahn, Leon Black, Larry Fink? Each didn't have as many failures as Trump. Also, I still haven't seen where the figure comes from for the number of businesses he owns - not the number of which he sits on the board, or the number that license his name - the number of businesses he actually owns. (Perhaps that would be revealed with the release of tax records?)

If Trump is audited by the IRS as claimed this concern is nonexistent. Furthermore, I see no way that Trump could prepare his own tax returns. Anybody who has a well known and respected professional firm preparing their tax returns is exempt from this concern as the CPA's and tax attorneys aren't going to commit fraud for them. Now, somebody having such a great number of businesses operating here and abroad is legitimately going to have areas of professional disagreement with the IRS.
Fern

John Rigas (Owned Adelphia Cable, spent a bit of time in prison) would disagree with you.



Incidentally, since Hilary's emails have been brought up - how many freaking emails did she send a day? I mean, she had to sleep, right? She had to do other things, right? In other words, what the hell is taking so long to "investigate?" Seems they could have read every email she ever sent 100 times each by now.

 

[buckshot24]

Or they're filing fraudulent tax returns. Are you suggesting Trump won't release his returns because they're fraudulent?

I'm not suggesting anything about that. I'm highly insinuating that your remark about his tax returns showing drug dealing and prostitution is imbecilic.

 

[Bowfinger]

I'm not suggesting anything about that. I'm highly insinuating that your remark about his tax returns showing drug dealing and prostitution is imbecilic.

"Satire" -- look it up.

 

[buckshot24]

"Satire" -- look it up.

Apologies. I didn't catch it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Apologies. I didn't catch it.

Kudos. :thumbsup:

 

[Greenman]

I wonder how many people could actually understand Trumps tax return? I'd guess that the majority of the people screaming to see them wouldn't begin to understand what they were seeing.

 

[feralkid]

I wonder how many people could actually understand Trumps tax return? I'd guess that the majority of the people screaming to see them wouldn't begin to understand what they were seeing.

Well, based on that, I guess he shouldn't release them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, based on that, I guess he shouldn't release them.

Haha good one. Simple & effective.

 

[hal2kilo]

You righties on here are slow. I'm surprised you are not parroting the Trump talking point on this, which is, bu, bu, but Clinton Foundation.

Now get with the program.

 

[First]

Because they'd probably be devastating to release, for a few obvious reasons:

1. Would show he's worth far less than his imagined $10B, and pathetically little by comparison to 40 years when his daddy gave him $100M.

2. Would reveal all sorts of personal ties that would be either embarrassing or harmful to him personally (don't know about mob, but honestly would surprise no one).

3. Would reveal he pays very little in taxes.

But really who cares, this guy is going to get smacked down by 200+ electoral votes and will harm Repubs for a generation, so if anything he's doing god's work.