Quietly Iraq has become increasingly self-governed

[CADsortaGUY]

Iraqi People Must Take Responsibility, Kurdish Leader Says

This is a good sign too.🙂

"Fighting terrorism must be the job of Iraqis; we must not depend on our American friends," he said, in English. "If we need their helicopters we will ask them, but it must be our responsibility."

He also said Iraqis must take responsibility for the state of their own affairs. "We can't always blame the Americans," he said.

CkG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The facts are that there has been very little news of the progress being made in Iraq hitting the "mainstream" news.

Where are those facts? You have nothing to stand on.

I'm trying to help you here. If you think the mainstream news isn't covering it, you need to look elsewere because the mainstream media is reporting it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The facts are that there has been very little news of the progress being made in Iraq hitting the "mainstream" news.

Where are those facts? You have nothing to stand on.

I'm trying to help you here. If you think the mainstream news isn't covering it, you need to look elsewere because the mainstream media is reporting it.

*cookie* Your sanctimonious BS is quite funny but at the same time quite sad.

Oh really? Can you point out where the "mainstream" media has been reporting all this? I do remember hearing about a couple of the ministries changing hands but don't think I've heard/seen from them that 90% of the local gov'ts were operational. Ofcourse I knew this, but again the "mainstream" media doesn't seem to be reporting these sorts of things. They do seem to be wringing their hands about whether or not we'll make the deadline though. Always accenting the negative while dismissing or ignoring the positives.

CkG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Oh really? Can you point out where the "mainstream" media has been reporting all this?

Again, you made the claim it wasn't being reported, you have back it up. I know from personal experience listening to the radio that I've heard news stories all last week about new self-governing.

Ofcourse I knew this, but again the "mainstream" media doesn't seem to be reporting these sorts of things.

Evidence?

They do seem to be wringing their hands about whether or not we'll make the deadline though.

Are you sure you're not confusing op/eds with real news stories? I haven't read a paper that said "we're wringing our hands over" this and that. "Nice try."

Always accenting the negative while dismissing or ignoring the positives.

Any proof for this would be nice.

 

[DealMonkey]

You're right Cad, let's turn those frowns upside down!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Oh really? Can you point out where the "mainstream" media has been reporting all this?

Again, you made the claim it wasn't being reported, you have back it up. I know from personal experience listening to the radio that I've heard news stories all last week about new self-governing.

Ofcourse I knew this, but again the "mainstream" media doesn't seem to be reporting these sorts of things.

Evidence?

They do seem to be wringing their hands about whether or not we'll make the deadline though.

Are you sure you're not confusing op/eds with real news stories? I haven't read a paper that said "we're wringing our hands over" this and that. "Nice try."

Always accenting the negative while dismissing or ignoring the positives.

Any proof for this would be nice.

So, where is your proof then? Where did you hear about 90% of the municipalities being self-governed? Should be easy enough - no? Where is the "mainstream" media reporting on the other good things that have been happening? On page one with the prison issue?:roll:
Look at the papers, look at what is "news" - show me how it's informing America on the positive that ARE happening in Iraq. I've talked with quite a few people the last two days who had no clue that 90% of the municipalities we under Iraqi governance, that 15-26 ministries had been turned over, or the Iraqi police sting. They all listen to the radio, watch the news, and/or read the paper. Just a quick poll of the office(who all read the DesMoines Register that gets brought in daily) is more than enough evidence IMO. These are educated individuals who watch and pay attention to the news.

Now again, If you want to talk about the Iraqi government then this is the thread. IF you want to keep whining about how you don't think it has been "quiet" then please STFU or show where the "mainstream" media has been reporting ALL of these things.

CkG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You're right Cad, let's turn those frowns upside down!

I stopped reading the post when they did that registration thing. What does the article talk about?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

wow CAD, someone's got their panties in a bunch. Wonder why he's so edgy all of a sudden......

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Where did you hear about 90% of the municipalities being self-governed?

Where did you hear about this if it wasn't through the media? Also, "nice try" trying to limit the subject to that fact. Your thread title is "Quietly Iraq has become increasingly self-governed". Hence, I'm talking about any news that talks about self-governance, of which I heard plenty.

Just a quick poll of the office(who all read the DesMoines Register that gets brought in daily) is more than enough evidence IMO.

If you want t o change your thread title to limit it to the DesMoines Register go for it. Don't try and act like it's a nation-wide or even an outside-of-your-office-wide problem.

Now again, If you want to talk about the Iraqi government then this is the thread.

Not only am I talking about that but I'm talking about the other part of your topic that goes to the bogus "quietly" aspect.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
wow CAD, someone's got their panties in a bunch. Wonder why he's so edgy all of a sudden......

Yeah, info does seem to have his panties in a bind. He's now been dubbed the Obtuse Obfuscater in an ongoing conversation we are having since he flails wildly around the issues and seems to not be able to focus on the issue at hand. He tries taking the issue off into a new direction after each time his bleatings are destroyed.

I'm not sure why he's so edgy though. I have a hunch...but I dare not say because it too is in our PM discussion. It might be though that he realizes that he isn't fooling anyone with his BS.😉

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Where did you hear about 90% of the municipalities being self-governed?

Where did you hear about this if it wasn't through the media? Also, "nice try" trying to limit the subject to that fact. Your thread title is "Quietly Iraq has become increasingly self-governed". Hence, I'm talking about any news that talks about self-governance, of which I heard plenty.

Just a quick poll of the office(who all read the DesMoines Register that gets brought in daily) is more than enough evidence IMO.

If you want t o change your thread title to limit it to the DesMoines Register go for it. Don't try and act like it's a nation-wide or even an outside-of-your-office-wide problem.

Now again, If you want to talk about the Iraqi government then this is the thread.

Not only am I talking about that but I'm talking about the other part of your topic that goes to the bogus "quietly" aspect.

I'm talking about the "mainstream media" - you know the American media which people here in America tune into/read to get their daily dose of news. Ofcourse I heard it from somewhere😛 Are you that obtuse that you felt you needed to clarify that for yourself?
Where exactly did you hear about all these things I pointed out? From American media? From "mainstream" media? Where?
Yes, it is bigger than just the Register rag. You have yet to show where you learned of these things I have pointed out. Where are people supposed to get their news? From the media? Where is the "mainstream" media reporting these things?
No, you are trying to take issue with something you can't refute with evidence. It's not too tough to see that the "mainstream" media isn't reporting much good news from Iraq. Do a search and see if you can find who is reporting that 90% of the municipalities are being governed by the Iraqis. Yeah...thought so.

Come back when you can back up your BS and then we'll talk about how well or much they are covering it. Now back to the Iraqi governance topic.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
wow CAD, someone's got their panties in a bunch. Wonder why he's so edgy all of a sudden......

Cad's a bit possessive about his threads. You need to follow his script, or else.

😉

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You're right Cad, let's turn those frowns upside down!

I stopped reading the post when they did that registration thing. What does the article talk about?

Bomb Kills At Least 35 In Baghdad
Recruiting Center Hit; 6 Dead in Second Blast

 

[Infohawk]

Where exactly did you hear about all these things I pointed out? From American media? From "mainstream" media? Where?

NPR, available in all markets and not exactly undercover or underground.

Are you that obtuse that you felt you needed to clarify that for yourself?

Alternatively your poor writing skills make your reasoning vague and unclear or vice-versa.

I'm talking about the "mainstream media" - you know the American media which people here in America tune into/read to get their daily dose of news.

Care to share your "official" list of mainstream media?

Where are people supposed to get their news? From the media? Where is the "mainstream" media reporting these things?

I'm not saying anyone SHOULD get their media anywhere. I'm saying it's not quiet.

It's not too tough to see that the "mainstream" media isn't reporting much good news from Iraq.

Isn't the turnover date "good news"? I hear about that every day. Today I heard the iraq oil minister talking. Isn't that good that it's not an American speaking? You NEED to show they aren't putting out good news, which you haven't done.

Do a search and see if you can find who is reporting that 90% of the municipalities are being governed by the Iraqis. Yeah...thought so.

So what was YOUR source then if it's so hard to fine? Yeah, i thought so. Again, "nice try" trying to paint the issue as something more specific than it is. Why don't you change your title to "90% of municipalities are being governed."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Where exactly did you hear about all these things I pointed out? From American media? From "mainstream" media? Where?

NPR, available in all markets and not exactly undercover or underground.

Are you that obtuse that you felt you needed to clarify that for yourself?

Alternatively your poor writing skills make your reasoning vague and unclear or vice-versa.

I'm talking about the "mainstream media" - you know the American media which people here in America tune into/read to get their daily dose of news.

Care to share your "official" list of mainstream media?

Where are people supposed to get their news? From the media? Where is the "mainstream" media reporting these things?

I'm not saying anyone SHOULD get their media anywhere. I'm saying it's not quiet.

It's not too tough to see that the "mainstream" media isn't reporting much good news from Iraq.

Isn't the turnover date "good news"? I hear about that every day. Today I heard the iraq oil minister talking. Isn't that good that it's not an American speaking? You NEED to show they aren't putting out good news, which you haven't done.

Do a search and see if you can find who is reporting that 90% of the municipalities are being governed by the Iraqis. Yeah...thought so.

So what was YOUR source then if it's so hard to fine? Yeah, i thought so. Again, "nice try" trying to paint the issue as something more specific than it is. Why don't you change your title to "90% of municipalities are being governed."

Nice try info - I listen to alot of NPR and I have not heard any of the good things coming from Iraq I posted come from them.
Another nice try in claiming your obtuseness is my fault😛
Well, lets see - the major news papers, Major networks and cable stations, you know...the ones the Average American reads/ watches. It's not that hard to understand info, but you have to atleast try to process things.
Ah yes, you are claiming it isn't quiet yet offer nothing to back it up. Where has the "mainstream" media been reporting all this good news then if you claim it isn't quiet? It sure doesn't seem to be printed in their news papers or reported on their newscasts.😉
My "source" was the link I provided. Are you trying to cast doubt as to their credibility?

Why don't you quit trying to make this about issues other than the Iraqi gov't governing?

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nice try info - I listen to alot of NPR and I have not heard any of the good things coming from Iraq I posted come from them.
Another nice try in claiming your obtuseness is my fault😛
Well, lets see - the major news papers, Major networks and cable stations, you know...the ones the Average American reads/ watches. ...

I'm curious, Cad. You've said in the past that you don't receive cable TV. How do you know what is or is not reported on cable news stations?

Similarly, how many of the major U.S. newspapers do you receive? How many do you read? When you boil away the sweeping generalizations, isn't it really more accurate to say that you haven't seen The Des Moines Register report this yet?

🙂

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nice try info - I listen to alot of NPR and I have not heard any of the good things coming from Iraq I posted come from them.

Do you listen to 24/7? The story I heard was ALL about the upcoming transition and the current self-governing of Iraq. It included interviews with Iraqi officials about self-governance. How much more on topic could it be? That was the whole point of the story-- self governance. Every day on NPR I hear about the transition. I also hear GWB say things are being transferred and everything's being set up. Is that not good news enough for you?

Ah yes, you are claiming it isn't quiet yet offer nothing to back it up.

More importantly I'm asking YOU to back up YOUR claim that it's been quiet, which you haven't done.

Why don't you quit trying to make this about issues other than the Iraqi gov't governing?

If you don't want to talk about the media than cut out the "quietly" part and the "ssssh" it's a secret misinformation.

Let's face it. You started the thread. You are saying the news about the transitioning to Iraqi self-governance has been quiet

Assume someone asks you how you know it's quiet. You have no evidence. All you can do is point to your chit-chat around the cooler. Hardly impressive backup for your flimsly idea. YOU made the statement, YOU back it up. The burden is on YOU.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Thus far, 15 of Iraq's 26 newly established ministries are under Iraqi control, he said. The other 11 ministries will be turned over within the next two weeks, he added.

Senor also noted that 90 percent of the country's municipalities have operating city or town councils.

Shh...it's a secret😉

CkG

Thats great. Iraq will hopefully become a true success story in the Middle East thanks to efforts made by America. And yes I agree with your statement that is a "near secret" since the media would rather focus on any negative news out there in hopes that it will make JK president. :thumbsdown:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nice try info - I listen to alot of NPR and I have not heard any of the good things coming from Iraq I posted come from them.
Another nice try in claiming your obtuseness is my fault😛
Well, lets see - the major news papers, Major networks and cable stations, you know...the ones the Average American reads/ watches. ...

I'm curious, Cad. You've said in the past that you don't receive cable TV. How do you know what is or is not reported on cable news stations?

Similarly, how many of the major U.S. newspapers do you receive? How many do you read? When you boil away the sweeping generalizations, isn't it really more accurate to say that you haven't seen The Des Moines Register report this yet?

🙂

You are correct, I don't have cable - I don't watch enough TV to justify it. But I do visit their news websites and one would think that they would have similar content - no?
Again, I read the newspaper's websites which should have similar content(or even more) - no?

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Info - Yes, NPR has had *some* Iraq news but if you are resting your hat on NPR it still doesn't mean the "mainstream" media has been quiet about reporting the good news from Iraq. Hell, even posting the news here people whine about waiting to hear it from "mainstream" news😛 Again, has the mainstream media reported what I have pointed out in this thread?...or have they been quiet about these things? yeah...thought so😉
OK genius - how does one prove that the "mainstream" media been largely quiet? Do you want me to link to all their "news"? I've drawn that conclusion from actually paying attention to the news from various places and the so-called "mainstream" press has been dropping the ball on most of the good news coming from Iraq. I have seen them report the "bad" news from Iraq as their lead stories and splashing it on the front page, but nary a peep of good news from Iraq even in passing or on page 13D.
No, I'll keep my opinions up there thank you very much. They are valid conclusions based on the actions of the "4th Estate".
Now again, please show me where the "mainstream" media has reported what I've posted here and then we can discuss how it compares to the other coverage😉

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Cad, perhaps you should do a more exhaustive study of the media and it's ratio of good-to-bad news and then get back to us. I'd also be interested in knowing whether news in general is slanted negative or whether it's only news about Iraq per your theory.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

OK genius - how does one prove that the "mainstream" media been largely quiet?

Good question. You either do a comprehensive study which includes defining "mainstream" media and systematically looks at whether these media sources have covered self-governance or not. You would also need to define "quiet too." You could could also cite some already-done study about this subject (and by that I mean self-governance in Iraq which probably hasn't been done). Yes, it's hard to back up sweeping generalizations. That's why you shouldn't do it or modify your statements so they don't pretend to be so conclusive.

They are valid conclusions based on the actions of the "4th Estate".

No, right now they're just sweeping generalizations, at best, as Bowfinger pointed out. Or worst, they are just misinformation based on some anecdotal evidence.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Iraq's incoming government is considering imposing martial law

HAHAHAHA..yea BABY!!

the Bushies have this all planned out..our idiot President and his criminal Vice-President (just echoing the latest liberal sentiments) have made some masterful moves of late. Here's another one...if the U.S. troops "kick some @ss", we get portrayed by the liberal media as "bullies" and the thugs are called "resistance fighters"

we get the Iraqi goverment to declare martial law (i believe that means curfews, shoot on sight, suspension of any "civil" laws), the thugs become "criminals" and the U.S. forces who will be "assisting" the Iraqi police become "peacemakers" again.

as they said on The A-Team "isn't it great when a plan cpomes together"

Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary general, said that Iraq was still too dangerous for the UN to return

Why am i not surprised....

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Iraq's incoming government is considering imposing martial law

HAHAHAHA..yea BABY!!

the Bushies have this all planned out..our idiot President and his criminal Vice-President (just echoing the latest liberal sentiments) have made some masterful moves of late. Here's another one...if the U.S. troops "kick some @ss", we get portrayed by the liberal media as "bullies" and the thugs are called "resistance fighters"

we get the Iraqi goverment to declare martial law (i believe that means curfews, shoot on sight, suspension of any "civil" laws), the thugs become "criminals" and the U.S. forces who will be "assisting" the Iraqi police become "peacemakers" again.

as they said on The A-Team "isn't it great when a plan cpomes together"

Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary general, said that Iraq was still too dangerous for the UN to return

Why am i not surprised....

ummm i could be wrong, but wasnt the iraqi police considering the "insurgent" criminals as-is? I mean they blow up their offices and stuff. I'm not sure how the martial law will affect anyone other than the law-abiding iraqi citizens 😕 If you think allah will give you virgins when you blew your dumb ass up, breaking a curfew will be the last thing you worry about

On a wild tangent, those insurgents with RPGs arent too bright, has anyone seen the video of the one getting owned by a humvee-mounted 30 cal? the guy just kneeled in the middle of the road to launch an RPG and got cut down like a lawn on sunday morning.... 😀

 

[GTaudiophile]

OMG! Good news in Iraq. Don't tell anybody!

 

[heartsurgeon]

The prime minister said he welcomed U.S. strikes on "any terrorist forces" in Iraq

Prime Minister Iyad Allawi also said his government was considering imposing "martial law" in Iraq's trouble spots to help police and paramilitaries bring order.

He made a plea for more international help in Iraq's guerrilla war, asking outside countries to send troops and donate military hardware to bolster Iraq's beleaguered forces

Its all coming together