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Quick question, which of these two RAMs is better?

jayman7

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I'm looking to upgrade my kingston pc2700 512mb RAM, to 1gig of dual channel pc3200.

I found two RAMs at newegg that got pretty good reviews.

two sticks of Kingston pc3200 512mb (CL3, 3-3-3) $82 each
or
two sticks of GEIL pc3200 512mb (CL2.5, 6-3-3) $79 each

I don't know anything about memory timings, so which one is faster/better to have with my pentium 2.4c and asus p4p800? Thanks in advance.
 
I know the lower the CL number the better, the other numbers I can't relate to. However if you get the specs on both right from the vendors sheet, you should see which is faster. They are both good chips as Samsung is as well.
 
lower CL number doesnt always mean its better. For example Kingston HyperX PC4000 ram has CL 3 where as value ram Kingston pc2700 may have like CL 2.5-- its what latency's the actual ram can handle in real world settings that matters because ram will not spd at its rated timings all the time-

i'd probably go for the Kingston (valueram i'm guessing?) i guess jayman but the Geil (value series i bet) is great too--
 
Before you upgrade why dont you consider overclocking?

Now upgrading your ram will not seem like such an important concern. Since your RAm runs at 333mhz(166) and cpu at 200, I am guessing thats your primary reason to shell out about 160 for extra 1 gig of ram.

Consider that 2.4ghz = 2400mhz = 12 x 200. Then If you overclock your p4 2.4C to 250FSB and reset the memory to CPU ratio to 3:2 you can have 250FSB: 166mhz memory (333mhz effective) thus eliminating your worry of having to buy faster ram. Even if you buy Pc3200 ram it will probably improve your speed by 2-5% tops, when in this case running higher FSB, higher CPU clock and even with low memory speed but tight timings you will have a speedy 3.0ghz cpu.

Also the additional 512mb or ram for a total of 1 gig might give you 1-5% as well but the price is definately not worth it. Your best bet would be to just keep the 512mb PC2700 kingston ram you have and just buy extra 512 for a total of 1 gig, and then overclock the CPU using ratios. That way you dont have to spend so much money, you can keep the current ram you have, and your CPU will be faster. Even if you are not confident with overclocking, you have to start somewhere. My 1st ever cpu i overclocked was 2.6C and it was so easy anyone can do it. People on this forum will surely help you.

Also many believe running the fastest memory possible is better than running slower memory but at much tighter timings, which is false. So you will want to buy the memory with the tightest possible timings. Of course like Breezie mentioned sometimes the memory cannot run at its rated speeds, or can exceed them so nothign is a sure bet. But if you buy CL3 memory, unless its PC4000+ you'll never be able to run it at CL2 at 200mhz. So that Kingston CL 3 will never run 2 believe me, maybe 2.5.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Also the additional 512mb or ram for a total of 1 gig might give you 1-5% as well but the price is definately not worth it. Your best bet would be to just keep the 512mb PC2700 kingston ram you have and just buy extra 512 for a total of 1 gig, and then overclock the CPU using ratios. That way you dont have to spend so much money, you can keep the current ram you have, and your CPU will be faster. Even if you are not confident with overclocking, you have to start somewhere. My 1st ever cpu i overclocked was 2.6C and it was so easy anyone can do it. People on this forum will surely help you.
I've always been interested in overclocking, but I'm always afraid of shortened life of parts, heating issues, potential damage, etc. If someone could guide me exactly on how to "overclock the CPU using ratios," that would be great. Or give me a link to a newbie overclocking site. Do I use downloaded software, change bios settings, ect?? Thanks for the great answer, RussianSensation!
 
Ok go to CPU/Processors and Overclocking section and ask how to overclock 2.4 on Asus P4P800. Also you can use the search button and type overclocking P4 C or something along those lines and it will give you a lot of threads. I'll try to cover the basics.

1. 2400mhz p4 C is in your possession meaning it has a multiplier 12 and runs at Front Side Bus (FSB) speed of 200. Since P4 is 'quad-pumped' in reality it runs at 200x4 or 800FSB. Thats how you get the designation 2.4ghz 800FSB CPU.

2. Theoretically in the best possible scenario, especially at stock speeds you should run the memory and CPU synchronously or at identical speeds. For instance if your Ram is rated at PC3200 (to figure out its true speed divide by 8 => 3200/8 = 400mhz in dual-channel or 200mhz basic speed which matches the 200FSB of the cpu) Therefore, this is called 1:1 ratio when your CPU:RAM ratio = 200FSB (800Effective): 200mhz (400mhz/PC3200 memory effective)

3. To overclock, I suggested that you use ratios, because your ram is already at a disadvantage of running at 166mhz (or 333 effective). The idea is for you to raise the FSB of the CPU from 200 to as high as you can go for the best speed, and keep the ram speed as fast as possible while having the lowest possible latency timings (ie. 2-3-3-6 or lower)

So here is an example. Let's say you have 2400 (12x200) @ 250FSB => 12x250 = 3000mhz
I am assuming your motherboard is set as CPU:RAM in the BIOS not vice versa, if it is just use math logic to figure it out.

In this case if you wanted to keep 1:1 ratio, you would need 250mhz memory (or PC4000, 4000/8 = 500dual channel)
Since your memory does not run at 250 this speed is out of the question.
With 5:4 ratio you would then have 250:x => 5:4 so what does x have to be? 250/x = 5/4 = 250x4/5 = 200mhz or need 400mhz dual channel ram which you dont have either.
Lets go to 3:2 ratio 250:x = 3:2 or similarly you'll get CPU:RAM 250:166 which is perfect for you since you have PC2700 or 333mhz dual channel ram.

4. Now to overclocking in the BIOS:

- Relax memory timings of your ram to 2.5-4-4-7 if you can or higher leave it at stock voltage.
- since we don't want to hit a wall with your ram set teh CPU:RAM ratio at 3:2 right away.
- Enable PCI/AGP lock fix => since it's set at 33/66, when you overclock FSB then everything gets overclocked and you do not want to send too much to your other components like hard drive and videocard as they are very sensitive to thse changes and you can damage them so enable it at all times especially if you are new to O/C
- Then go to the CPU FSB and start raising it by 10 so from 200 to 210 then 220 and so until the computer cannot boot anymore. This will tell you how high you can go without increasing the CPU voltage on default voltage speeds. Your goal is to reach 3.0ghz as that is the maximum your ram will allow without overclocking it or buying faster ram.
- If you cput won't boot, and you are worried about long-term survival raise the voltage to no more than 1.6-1.65 VCore from 1.48-1.55 default. The general rule of thumb is to be safe to not raise the voltage higher than 10% from the default voltage. I am sure asus has some program like ASUS PC probe that helps you read the voltages and so on.
Also you can check these readings in the BIOS.

Once the CPU boots in happily you should try to adjust the ram to as tight timings as possible, if you ram supports voltage up to 2.8 or higher, set it at the voltage that allows for stable tight timings. So if your ram is rated for 2.8 and at 2.8 you can get 2-2-2-6 timings and with 2.7 you cannot get that then set it at 2.8. If increasing the voltage does not affect timings, then leave at the lowest possible setting since what's the use of upping the voltage if it has no effect for no reason?

Sometimes increasing the AGP voltage from 1.5 to 1.6 helps to gain stability as videocards can be affected by overclocking. I am not sure why, but often even with PCI/AGP lock enabled, stability of them can be compromised.

Also make sure your CPU does not run faster then 60-65*C on a hot day. I am sure with a stock cooler you can do the above procedure if you are not pushing above 3.0ghz. You can look into other coolers buy asking in this forum. I can recommend Zalman CNPS7000A-ALCU or 7000-ALCU as it is quiet and cools very well and you dont have to worry about installing a fan if that's not your thing. Thermalright has excellent coolers as well.

Your motherboard might have other performance featues like Turbo mode so you might want to tweak around to see at what fastest of those settings the overclock becomes stable.

To test for stability use these:
Tests CPU/RAM/Motherboard stability Prime 95
and run it for 24 hours make sure you do not get errors, if you do your system stability is possibly compromised (thats when the increase in voltage of the cpu/ram comes in)
Memtest86 or MemTest or Windows Memory Test to check for memory stability. You have to downlod these to a floppy and boot up the computer and on start up put floppy as the 1st bootable device it will do the rest. Test the memory for 1 hour if you want. Usually the errors appear in the first 10 min.

To check for CPU/RAM (FSB) speed, etc use these:
WCPUID3.1a (check under Download section)
CPU-Z version 1.21

And for general information and some benchmarking, to see voltage, cpu temperature, etc.
SiSoftware Sandra 2004 Download

Good luck, and remember there are many people who can answer your question, especially those with the same motherboard and cpu as you. You have the option to post on the Asus forum as well to get even more suggestions and responses. Good luck.
 
Whats up now the numders are correct when you do such things please remove any post that pointed that out rather than leaving there and making that person look foolish not very happy about that
 
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