Quick poll - liberal or conservative

retrospooty

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I know there are a millions shades of gray, just looking for a quick category...

I of course voted liberal - mostly for social reasons, but if I have to take a side that is it.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Atreus21

Probably shouldn't have state your intention. Might induce people to fake-vote.

good point - edited. =)

It's still in Atreus21's post. The poll is worthless unless you can see who voted what.
 

Arkaign

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I voted conservative, but have to stress that I don't see 'conservatism' in modern GOP. I am also considered by many a social liberal, but that's just because I think that as long as you're not infringing on anyone else's liberty, or causing harm to anyone else, you should be free to do whatever the sam hell you want to without anyone getting in your business (or spending tax $ to do so).

BOTH modern political parties are BIG GOV'T / ANTI-FREEDOM parties, when you look at the legislation and executive decisions they support and execute.

I find that I can find points of agreement with almost anyone when the labels are dispensed with, but by far the most difficult to speak to are the reactionary far-right and far-left nutjobbers.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Atreus21

Probably shouldn't have state your intention. Might induce people to fake-vote.

good point - edited. =)

It's still in Atreus21's post. The poll is worthless unless you can see who voted what.

All polls are worthless - LOL Its just to see what we are here, no value in my life either way, just curiosity.

 

Double Trouble

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Oct 9, 1999
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Well, I'm fiscally conservative and I believe in personal responsibility and small government, but at the same time I'm pretty liberal in terms of domestic social policy (live and let live). Where does that put me?

Oh, and based on the posts I generally see here, I'd say the average general slant is somewhere between "liberal" and "left-wing-nut".
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Well, I'm fiscally conservative and I believe in personal responsibility and small government, but at the same time I'm pretty liberal in terms of domestic social policy (live and let live). Where does that put me?

Me, too. Maybe we need to come up with our own label, just so that we will be represented in future polls.
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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Classic liberal. Modern liberals have nothing in common with them and I refuse to identify with big government authoritarian types.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Classic liberal. Modern liberals have nothing in common with them and I refuse to identify with big government authoritarian types.

An excellent descriptive label and I thank you for reminding me of what I should have remembered from the political philosophy classes I took so long ago.

I am proud to be an American classical liberal and I detest the bastardization of the word "liberal" by those who are clearly not. And, in some minor way, I am offended that my good position, and apparently that of others here, is not adequately recognized nor represented in the polling conducted to date. We must be heard!

Classical Liberalism

Extracted from the above Wiki article:

Modern classical liberals trace their ideology to ancient Greece, the Roman republic and the Renaissance. They cite the 16th century School of Salamanca in Spain as a precursor, with its emphasis on human rights and popular sovereignty, its belief that morality need not be grounded in religion, and its moral defense of commerce.

Other Renaissance thinkers such as Erasmus and Niccolò Machiavelli represent the rise of humanism in place of the religious tradition of the Middle Ages. Rationalist philosophers of the 17th Century, such as Thomas Hobbes and Baruch Spinoza developed further ideas that would become important to liberalism, such as the social contract.

However, liberalism's classic formulation came in The Age of Enlightenment. John Locke's Two Treatises of Government argued that legitimate authority depended on the consent of the governed, while Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations rejected mercantilism, which advocated state interventionism in the economy and protectionism, and developed modern free-market economics. These early liberals saw mercantilism as enriching privileged elites at the expense of well being of the populace.

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government. Thomas Jefferson called these inalienable rights: "...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant?s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

For classical liberalism, rights are of a negative nature?rights that require that other individuals (and governments) refrain from interfering with individual liberty, whereas social liberalism (also called modern liberalism or welfare liberalism) holds that individuals have a right to be provided with certain benefits or services by others. Unlike social liberals, classical liberals are "hostile to the welfare state." They do not have an interest in material equality but only in "equality before the law." Classical liberalism is critical of social liberalism and takes offense at group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights.

Libertarianism's resemblance to liberalism is superficial; in the end, libertarians reject essential liberal institutions. Correctly understood, libertarianism resembles a view that liberalism historically defined itself against, the doctrine of private political power that underlies feudalism. Like feudalism, libertarianism conceives of justified political power as based in a network of private contracts. It rejects the idea, essential to liberalism, that political power is a public power to be impartially exercised for the common good.
 

OCGuy

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Anyone who can be firmly put into a single category on all subjects is a mindless d-bag.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who can be firmly put into a single category on all subjects is a mindless d-bag.

I find your comment offensive and illiberal, but probably correct.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who can be firmly put into a single category on all subjects is a mindless d-bag.

I don't think the poll is intended to imply that we be zealots in our pursuit of liberalism or conservatism. Just which do you generally identify with.
 

miniMUNCH

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social, foreign policy -- lib
fiscal policy -- middle of the road, more on the con side, i suppose
registered as rep right now
voted Obama in 2008
voted third party in 2004
voted Bush in 2000... honestly, how was i to know?

I hate big government and I hate the central banking concept (too late now, though).

yeah... maybe I'm a classical liberal overall.
 

retrospooty

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Apr 3, 2002
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Wow... As I post this its 27 conservatives to 17 liberals... not what I expected. I thought about 50/50
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Wow... As I post this its 27 conservatives to 17 liberals... not what I expected. I thought about 50/50

Should have made a second poll for Rep or Dem. Bet it isn't the same answer.

Lot of people consider lib to only be a dirty word reserved for extremists, even though it shouldn?t be. Perhaps many people who consider themselves moderate would answer Conservative in this poll.
 

First

Lifer
Jun 3, 2002
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Poll should be:

Republican
Conservative
Libertarian

and

Democrat
Liberal
Progressive

You'll probably get a more accurate poll. Right now it's 67:33 in favor of the right.
 

themusgrat

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Nov 2, 2005
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Voted conservative just because I thought they'd be outnumbered, but apparently alot of people thought the same thing :( Most people can't be categorized as either, I'm an independent.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Classic liberal. Modern liberals have nothing in common with them and I refuse to identify with big government authoritarian types.

small government can be just as authoritative, if not more, the only thing that is really different is the mechanism by which the authority is welded and by whom.
 

JD50

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I think the opposite of this poll will be true. All the liberals that contend that this board is full of conservatives will vote conservative to prove their point, and all the conservatives will do the same, like I did. :p