quick baseball question about the sacrifice fly...

[jonnyjack]

hey,

when someone hits a sac fly, example: guy on third and he hits it to RF and the man on base tags up and scores, does that count as an at-bat? TIA

 

[PsychoAndy]

i would think that would be an at bat

 

[gopunk]

that is an atbat, an out, and a rbi.

 

[b0mbrman]

Sure is an at-bat...wouldn't be if it was a fielder's choice though...

 

[fr]

I don't think it's counted as an at-bat.

 

[Aceman]

that is an atbat, an out, and a rbi. Thus equalling what is called a Sacrifice RBI. He sacrificed himself while at bat to get an RBI for the team. If the run does or does not score has no bearing on a caught fly ball being counted as an At Bat

though, wehat really matters right now is that the Twins should win their game. It would take a miracle for the Indians to come back from a 2102 decicit and the Mariners need to wake up and beat the White Sox.

 

[Cerebus451]

no, sacrifice flies and sacrifice hits (aka bunts) are NOT counted as at bats.

At bat = hit, out (not a sacrifice), reach on error, reach on fielder's choice
plate appearance = at bat, walk, sacrifice, HBP

 

[b0mbrman]

<< no, sacrifice flies and sacrifice hits (aka bunts) are NOT counted as at bats.

At bat = hit, out (not a sacrifice), reach on error, reach on fielder's choice
plate appearance = at bat, walk, sacrifice, HBP >>


Errors don't count as at bats... i'm sure on that one

 

[lllJRlll]

<< no, sacrifice flies and sacrifice hits (aka bunts) are NOT counted as at bats.

At bat = hit, out (not a sacrifice), reach on error, reach on fielder's choice
plate appearance = at bat, walk, sacrifice, HBP >>






What Cerebus said is correct.It's an rbi but not an official at bat

 

[Dudd]

I don't believe that it's an at-bat. If a fly ball scores a run, you get credited with an RBI but not an 0 for 1 at the plate. If you bunt a man over, same thing, except not always an RBI.

 

[prodigy]

It is not an AB, it's an RBI and a PA.

 

[BuckleDownBen]

An error is an at-bat if the batter would have made an out had the error not occured. So if you hit a ground ball and the shortstop boots it, the you are 0 for 1. Sacrifices, walks, and hit by pitch are all not at bats.

I can't believe the amount of bad info in this thread.

 

[Aceman]

I stand corrected:

Definition of a Sacrifice Fly for counting as an At Bat

 

[XMan]

<< no, sacrifice flies and sacrifice hits (aka bunts) are NOT counted as at bats. >>



And that is why the sac fly is the most beautiful play in sports. You help the team, and are not penalized.

 

[Cerebus451]

<< Errors don't count as at bats... i'm sure on that one >>


Actually, they do count as at bats. An at bat without a hit. I can't find a page that describes what constitutes an at bat, but this page has a description of a plate appearance, which is At-Bats + Bases on Balls + Hit By Pitcher + Sacrifice Hits + Sacrifice Flies + Times Reached on Defensive Interference. If you subtract off everything else, then an at-bat is a hit, reached on an error, reach on a fielders choice, or produced an out that was not a sacrifice.



<< An error is an at-bat if the batter would have made an out had the error not occured. >>


That is a little more precise. If the batter reaches base on an error, it is an at bat without a hit. If the batter takes an extra base because of an error, it is an at bat, a hit, and an error.

 

[gopunk]

whoops sorry about that. i assumed that from seeing my fantasy baseball team stats.

 

[jonnyjack]

thanks guys, i was just checking my fantasy team and noticed a guy had just hit a sac fly and was not charged with an atbat, wasn't sure about it though cause yahoo doesn't always keep the stats up to date...thanks again

go A's! not today though,

 

[ElFenix]

hmmmm... i never knew that... maybe if i was really paying attention to box scores i'd have figured it out.

 

[Cyberian]

I know that's the rule, but it's really kinda bullsh|t.

Batter hits routine fly to right with bases empty = an at bat.
Batter hits exactly the same fly to right and man on second goes to third = no at bat.

 

[joeryu]

Ok there is a LOT of misleading information in this thread...let me clear things up

1.) sac fly isnt a sac fly unless someone scores...so if they just tag to third then its an at bat, guy is 0 for 1.
2.) if runner scores from the fly ball then batter is 0 for 0, no at bat, just rbi.
3.) if defense makes error, you are 0 for 1, you get at bat, and its just like grounding out/flying out.

 

[fr]

<< Ok there is a LOT of misleading information in this thread...let me clear things up

1.) sac fly isnt a sac fly unless someone scores...so if they just tag to third then its an at bat, guy is 0 for 1.
2.) if runner scores from the fly ball then batter is 0 for 0, no at bat, just rbi.
3.) if defense makes error, you are 0 for 1, you get at bat, and its just like grounding out/flying out. >>




That's correct!! Ding ding ding ding ding

 

[Cyberian]

<< 2.) if runner scores from the fly ball then batter is 0 for 0, no at bat, just rbi. >>

So a batter could have a number of Runs Batted In, without ever having been at bat. Hmmm.

 

[prodigy]

<<

<< 2.) if runner scores from the fly ball then batter is 0 for 0, no at bat, just rbi. >>

So a batter could have a number of Runs Batted In, without ever having been at bat. Hmmm. >>



Yep, but he would still accumulate plate apperances making his on base percentage a triple goose egg (.000).

If it happens early in the season, it can bring up one of the rare scenarios where a player has a higher batting average than OBP.
Say his first time up is a sac fly. (BA - null, OBP - .000)
2nd is an out. (BA - .000, OBP - .000)
3rd is a single. (BA - .500, OBP - .333)

 

[CKDragon]

<< I can't believe the amount of bad info in this thread. >>



Why not? It's threads like these that make you remember what sector of life the majority of ATers are from.

I'm a college ump, a sac fly does not count as an At Bat. As far as errors in general, I'm glad I'm not a stat keeper, too subjective.

CK