Questions That Won't Be Asked About Iraq
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Not true there is some evidence although your never going to get video tape type proof because saddam is not that stupid.
Gee you think, if we had the power to rid the world of communism we would but they had a massive army.
shiner
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If you looked at the link, you would have seen that the writer is a Rublican Congressman from Texas and was said in a speach ?In the House of Representatives, September 10, 2002?. So it really doesn?t matter about the hosting site.
Look at the second question...
2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate ? which just confirms that there is no real threat?
Zenmervolt
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Unfortunately, his definition of "threat" is a trifle shaky.
Is Iraq currently a threat to us militarily? No.
Is Iraq a threat in terms of terrorism? Hell yes.
If left unchecked, Iraq will become a threat militatily. That is simply not questionable. Once they become a threat militarily it will be too late. We are left with the necessity of dealing with Iraq before it becomes a threat. What he is advocating here is a dangerous Catch-22, whereby we are only justified in attacking countries which present a real and immediate threat, but we cannot attack countries that present such a threat because of the risk. Using this logic we'll become another France. Iraq must be dealt with soon, before it becomes the threat that it will certainly become without intervention.
ZV
BrunoPuntzJones
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So we are supposed to wait until they are a threat and can retaliate before we doing anything?Originally posted by: BlueApple
If you looked at the link, you would have seen that the writer is a Rublican Congressman from Texas and was said in a speach ?In the House of Representatives, September 10, 2002?. So it really doesn?t matter about the hosting site.
Look at the second question...
2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate ? which just confirms that there is no real threat?
Yes, it is questionable. Statements like yours and similar ones by the President are unsubstantiatable speculative rhetoric intended to inflame.
That is unless you have magical scrying abilities?
It is impossible to know, and based on that I can not condone a course of war.
I was playing devils-advocate.Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
So we are supposed to wait until they are a threat and can retaliate before we doing anything?
EDIT:: Although some points brought up are valid in my view.
Zenmervolt
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you another person who failed to examine the things his college professors said. Who wants to take bets on whether or not he thinks that colleges are baised strongly to the left?
If we wait until we know beyond all doubt what will happen, it will have already happened and we will be too late. You and Chamberlain are free to use that logic if you please. The rest of us will protect ourselves.
ZV
These are important:
23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?
24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village?
25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein?s rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?
26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?
27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq?
28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they won?t have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals?
30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense?
31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change?
23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?
24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village?
25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein?s rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?
26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?
27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq?
28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they won?t have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals?
30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense?
31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change?
Siddhartha
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The US is hot to beat up Iraq. Lets see if I can repeat the rationale for it. Iraq is evil and if they could hurt the US they would so the US is justified in going to war with Iraq.
How many potential enemies does the US have?
How many potential enemies does the US have?
I like this one. He just makes a statement like that without any proof. The Gulf War caused oil prices to fall, which translates into less profit.
I don't see these as reasons NOT to remove a clear threat to the United States and the World.
Zenmervolt
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Exactly as many as we need to deal with, be it through diplomacy, espionage, or military intervention.
ZV
lol! Cool, its from Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, I love that guy!
Not because he's right, but because it tickles me to death that a nutcase like Ron Paul can actually become a US Representative. Whenever you see a vote in the House of Representatives that is something like 408 - 1, that "1" is usually Ron Paul. haha
Not because he's right, but because it tickles me to death that a nutcase like Ron Paul can actually become a US Representative. Whenever you see a vote in the House of Representatives that is something like 408 - 1, that "1" is usually Ron Paul. haha
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