Question on TRACERT command

[TechnoPro]

Using TRACERT in Windows XP, there is the -w switch that lets you set the timeout in milliseconds. I cannot find anywhere what the default timeout threshold is when no switch is used. Any ideas? Thanks.

 

[seepy83]

http://technet.microsoft.com/e.../library/bb491018.aspx

-w Timeout : Specifies the amount of time in milliseconds to wait for the ICMP Time Exceeded or Echo Reply message corresponding to a given Echo Request message to be received. If not received within the time-out, an asterisk (*) is displayed. The default time-out is 4000 (4 seconds).

 

[spidey07]

Silly windows, using PING for a traceroute.

Didn't those dumbfucks know what ICMP messages are? Those dumbfucks use ping as a traceroute. Microsoft officially maintains it's status as the most incompetent company there is when it comes to networking.

 

[ch33zw1z]

what does everyone else use?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
what does everyone else use?

Looks like UDP.

 

[Nothinman]

Didn't those dumbfucks know what ICMP messages are? Those dumbfucks use ping as a traceroute. Microsoft officially maintains it's status as the most incompetent company there is when it comes to networking.

Slightly harsh, but true.

The traceroute on my Linux box has ICMP and TCP as options, but UDP is the default.

 

[Pantlegz]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Silly windows, using PING for a traceroute.

Didn't those dumbfucks know what ICMP messages are? Those dumbfucks use ping as a traceroute. Microsoft officially maintains it's status as the most incompetent company there is when it comes to networking.

Isn't ping an ICMP echo request? Doesn't cisco use the same thing on their routers? Not that I'm defending MS, just asking so I know.

 

[seepy83]

Originally posted by: Pantlegz1

Originally posted by: spidey07
Silly windows, using PING for a traceroute.

Didn't those dumbfucks know what ICMP messages are? Those dumbfucks use ping as a traceroute. Microsoft officially maintains it's status as the most incompetent company there is when it comes to networking.

Isn't ping an ICMP echo request? Doesn't cisco use the same thing on their routers? Not that I'm defending MS, just asking so I know.

Cisco, Linux, Unix, and I think everyone except microsoft uses UDP. Here's some literature from Cisco on the subject:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tec...6a00801ae32a.shtml#lin

 

[JackMDS]

Most if Not all of the above posters are professional Plumbers and know when to use what, and how.

I wonder who his catering to Millions of End Users that while having Broadband do not even know that they have a Network.

Cisco or MS?

TCP must be On to use the Internet.

UDP ping relies heavily on ICMP, if ICMP is filtered, UDP ping?

 

[Nothinman]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Most if Not all of the above posters are professional Plumbers and know when to use what, and how.

I wonder who his catering to Millions of End Users that while having Broadband do not even know that they have a Network.

Cisco or MS?

TCP must be On to use the Internet.

UDP ping relies heavily on ICMP, if ICMP is filtered, UDP ping?

All of them rely on ICMP and none of them default to TCP so I don't see how any of that is relevant. If you can't receive the ICMP TTL Exceeded messages then no version of traceroute is going to work and if you can't receive ICMP destination unreachables then your Internet connection is going to suck extremely badly.

 

[TechnoPro]

Originally posted by: seepy83
http://technet.microsoft.com/e.../library/bb491018.aspx

-w Timeout : Specifies the amount of time in milliseconds to wait for the ICMP Time Exceeded or Echo Reply message corresponding to a given Echo Request message to be received. If not received within the time-out, an asterisk (*) is displayed. The default time-out is 4000 (4 seconds).

Thank you! Perhaps I wasn't looking in the right places, but I could not find this.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Most if Not all of the above posters are professional Plumbers and know when to use what, and how.

I wonder who his catering to Millions of End Users that while having Broadband do not even know that they have a Network.

Cisco or MS?

TCP must be On to use the Internet.

UDP ping relies heavily on ICMP, if ICMP is filtered, UDP ping?

All of them rely on ICMP and none of them default to TCP so I don't see how any of that is relevant. If you can't receive the ICMP TTL Exceeded messages then no version of traceroute is going to work and if you can't receive ICMP destination unreachables then your Internet connection is going to suck extremely badly.

Filtering ICMP with an iron hand is just a bad idea.

 

[Nothinman]

Filtering ICMP with an iron hand is just a bad idea.

Yea, usually the people that do that don't really understand what they're actually doing.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Filtering ICMP with an iron hand is just a bad idea.

Yea, usually the people that do that don't really understand what they're actually doing.

And there is more of them than of us, and they deserve consideration.

There is No question what so ever that Alcohol kills cells in the central nervous system and mess up the Neurotransmitter in the Brain.

Sooner or later the Brain's "TCP/IP's, UDP, and ICMP", would Not working very well because of it.

Yet, I am willing to bet that most of the members here ignore this technological reality.

 

[Nothinman]

And there is more of them than of us, and they deserve consideration.

Not really, most of them will just happily hook up whatever firewall they buy and leave outbound unrestricted. And if they do go so far as to setup outbound filtering incorrectly, well, they broke their setup so they can struggle with figuring it out.

But even so, TCP and UDP traceroute still rely on ICMP to deliver the TTL exceeded messages for each hop so MS' choice of ICMP for traceroute is still questionable at best.

There is No question what so ever that Alcohol kills cells in the central nervous system and mess up the Neurotransmitter in the Brain.

And even after drinking for ~7hrs last night I'm still well aware that MS's tracert is terrible.