Question: Is anyone else DEPRESSED about our voting choices this year?

[DragonMasterAlex]

Personally, I find myself incredibly bummed. I LOATHE George W. Bush for his domestic policies, and I *really* wanted a good, well, ANYONE to replace him. There are a couple of half-decent independents who have no chance in hell thanks to both Democrats and Republicans spending the last couple of years fraudulently stumping about our "Two Party System" (Which we don't actually have, by the way) to keep down the independents.

And Kerry...jeez, I'm so frazzled by his endless flip-flopping that there's no way I can trust him with the war on terror. SO I feel stuck between choosing an ignorant brick wall for president or a man who flip-flops so much you'd think he was a waffle just waiting for syrup.

If you had your druthers, would you stick with these clowns or go with someone entirely different? If so, who?

Jason

 

[cKGunslinger]

I can't remember the last time I was every excited about our presidential choice. Then again, I am under 30.


Badnarik in 2004! :laugh:

 

[Todd33]

I'm depressed that Bush is a choice. 300 million people and he makes it to the top? Grats to having a famous name and daddy.

 

[Feldenak]

Well, I'm not voting for either of the major party candidates but I'm not going to stump for the guy I'm voting for either. I will, however, suggest you read up on the "independent" parties.

Here's one to start with.

 

[jjzelinski]

It's my opinion that people are going to feel really stupid for bashing and debasing Kerry over the next several years, whether or not he gets elected.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Topic Title: Question: Is anyone else DEPRESSED about our voting choices this year?

Jason,

You're not voting for one Man anymore. It is a Club, the guy at the top is just a puppet.

A vote for The Fearless Liar is a vote for more of the same.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for a new set of Club members to play at the Poker table.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
It's my opinion that people are going to feel really stupid for bashing and debasing Kerry over the next several years, whether or not he gets elected.

Interesting. Why so?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
And Kerry...jeez, I'm so frazzled by his endless flip-flopping that there's no way I can trust him with the war on terror. SO I feel stuck between choosing an ignorant brick wall for president or a man who flip-flops so much you'd think he was a waffle just waiting for syrup.

Ok that seems to be your biggest sticking point. Answer these three questions (post the answers if you wish, or keep them private):
[*]What do you truely think Kerry would do in regard to terrorists and related issues?
[*]What do you truely think Bush would do in regard to terrorists and related issues?
[*]Which result do you like better? Then vote that way.

As it is, your post reads more like a sound byte from political ads. TV ads certainly aren't a very good source of information. Instead, rely on what you yourself think will happen. Follow your heart and vote that way.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
And Kerry...jeez, I'm so frazzled by his endless flip-flopping that there's no way I can trust him with the war on terror. SO I feel stuck between choosing an ignorant brick wall for president or a man who flip-flops so much you'd think he was a waffle just waiting for syrup.

Ok that seems to be your biggest sticking point. Answer these three questions (post the answers if you wish, or keep them private):
[*]What do you truely think Kerry would do in regard to terrorists and related issues?
[*]What do you truely think Bush would do in regard to terrorists and related issues?
[*]Which result do you like better? Then vote that way.

As it is, your post reads more like a sound byte from political ads. TV ads certainly aren't a very good source of information. Instead, rely on what you yourself think will happen. Follow your heart and vote that way.

Not everyone believes that "terrorism" is the most pressing issue this election.

 

[Genx87]

I'm depressed that Bush is a choice. 300 million people and he makes it to the top? Grats to having a famous name and daddy.

Things could be worse. We could have somebody like you running the country.

As for the vote. I havent been a big fan of Bush even before 2000. But he IMO is a hell of alot better than the slick talking used car salesman who is running from the other side. Plans and beliefs is all he can come up with. Nothing tangible at all.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
It's my opinion that people are going to feel really stupid for bashing and debasing Kerry over the next several years, whether or not he gets elected.

Interesting. Why so?

I just don't think he's the SoB people make him out to be. He posesses all of the typical qualities one would expet of a presidential candidate, and I actually agree with his much berided stance on the Vietnam War. What he lacks is the ability to communicate to the layman, a quality that reflects well in Clinton and even Bush, but I don't see that as a fatal character flaw. In another time, a less vitriolic and disingenuous one, he would be a perfectly acceptable candidate.

I should qualify my statement by the fact that I can't help but keep in mind the way McCain was derailed in 2000. In my lifetime, he's the closest thing I've seen to a "hero" (though that veneer is quickly fading unfortunately) and the way he was vilified was, in retrosepct, brilliant and totally disingenuous.

The Bush admin is one of the greatest poltical machines of all time, and in recognizing that I don't believe a word they say about ANY opponent of theirs. What I've seen outside of the campaign about Kerry is not damning in any way. I've not really seen or heard any thing the man has said or done that makes me question his integrity and I'm being as objective about that as I possibly can be given the circumstances.

In several years, when this campaign has lost its focus and its teeth, I think it likely that hindsight will reveal Kerry to be a much better candidate than people were are able to see presently. His campaigning, though, is simply not in the same league as Bush's. Shame.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Not everyone believes that "terrorism" is the most pressing issue this election.

I personally think terrorism is a non issue (Both are against terrorism, both will do whatever it takes to arrest them, etc). But my personal weight of the terrorist issue has nothing to do with this thread - neither does anyone else's weight except for DragonMasterAlex. DragonMasterAlex has a big concern there, and I addressed it. I don't see how your comment is relavant at all.

 

[Vic]

Michael Badnarik would be the ideal choice, if only because he has actually read the Constitution once or twice in his lifetime.

Personally, I am voting against Bush because of the impending budget crisis he has created.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Neither candidate want whats best for America

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

I just don't think he's the SoB people make him out to be. He posesses all of the typical qualities one would expet of a presidential candidate, and I actually agree with his much berided stance on the Vietnam War. What he lacks is the ability to communicate to the layman, a quality that reflects well in Clinton and even Bush, but I don't see that as a fatal character flaw. In another time, a less vitriolic and disingenuous one, he would be a perfectly acceptable candidate.

I should qualify my statement by the fact that I can't help but keep in mind the way McCain was derailed in 2000. In my lifetime, he's the closest thing I've seen to a "hero" (though that veneer is quickly fading unfortunately) and the way he was vilified was, in retrosepct, brilliant and totally disingenuous.

The Bush admin is one of the greatest poltical machines of all time, and in recognizing that I don't believe a word they say about ANY opponent of theirs. What I've seen outside of the campaign about Kerry is not damning in any way. I've not really seen or heard any thing the man has said or done that makes me question his integrity and I'm being as objective about that as I possibly can be given the circumstances.

In several years, when this campaign has lost its focus and its teeth, I think it likely that hindsight will reveal Kerry to be a much better candidate than people were are able to see presently. His campaigning, though, is simply not in the same league as Bush's. Shame.

While I'd vote Bush over Kerry, yeah, I'll not be rioting or moving to Canada or even scowling too much if Kerry wins. No, I don't think he's a SoB, but I don't think his personality, his political or personal background, or anything else about him makes him an ideal or even a "good' Presidential candidate. (I can easily see how someone could feel the same way about Bush, although I personally don't)

 

[jjzelinski]

Ok since "best" is such a subjective term, how about something a little more quantifiable like "who will do the least damage?"

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Not everyone believes that "terrorism" is the most pressing issue this election.

I personally think terrorism is a non issue (Both are against terrorism, both will do whatever it takes to arrest them, etc). But my personal weight of the terrorist issue has nothing to do with this thread - neither does anyone else's weight except for DragonMasterAlex. DragonMasterAlex has a big concern there, and I addressed it. I don't see how your comment is relavant at all.

Umm... ok.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic
Michael Badnarik would be the ideal choice, if only because he has actually read the Constitution once or twice in his lifetime.

Personally, I am voting against Bush because of the impending budget crisis he has created.

While I'd be voting Badnarik, I seriously would not want him as President. Even though I like his ideas, he's a little too unstable for me. I wish the LP had someone better to offer this season.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

I just don't think he's the SoB people make him out to be. He posesses all of the typical qualities one would expet of a presidential candidate, and I actually agree with his much berided stance on the Vietnam War. What he lacks is the ability to communicate to the layman, a quality that reflects well in Clinton and even Bush, but I don't see that as a fatal character flaw. In another time, a less vitriolic and disingenuous one, he would be a perfectly acceptable candidate.

I should qualify my statement by the fact that I can't help but keep in mind the way McCain was derailed in 2000. In my lifetime, he's the closest thing I've seen to a "hero" (though that veneer is quickly fading unfortunately) and the way he was vilified was, in retrosepct, brilliant and totally disingenuous.

The Bush admin is one of the greatest poltical machines of all time, and in recognizing that I don't believe a word they say about ANY opponent of theirs. What I've seen outside of the campaign about Kerry is not damning in any way. I've not really seen or heard any thing the man has said or done that makes me question his integrity and I'm being as objective about that as I possibly can be given the circumstances.

In several years, when this campaign has lost its focus and its teeth, I think it likely that hindsight will reveal Kerry to be a much better candidate than people were are able to see presently. His campaigning, though, is simply not in the same league as Bush's. Shame.

While I'd vote Bush over Kerry, yeah, I'll not be rioting or moving to Canada or even scowling too much if Kerry wins. No, I don't think he's a SoB, but I don't think his personality, his political or personal background, or anything else about him makes him an ideal or even a "good' Presidential candidate. (I can easily see how someone could feel the same way about Bush, although I personally don't)

Valid opinion, but if for no other reason I would vote for Kerry to simply lock up the legislature. What congress has done over the past 4 years is a little rediculous if you ask me and I think having different parties stymying the current habits of our congressman would be a step in the riht direction. I think this actually serves as an example of why gridlock can actually be a GOOD thing, especially when the only other option is a bunch of senetors and reps actiing like kids ina candy store.

 

[bamacre]

Is anyone else DEPRESSED about our voting choices this year?

Yes.

I thought the same way last election (Bush and Gore), but I think this year is MUCH worse. I'm still undecided. I am leaning toward a write in, just so I can still complain about whomever wins.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm depressed that Bush is a choice. 300 million people and he makes it to the top? Grats to having a famous name and daddy.

and being a good governor.

 

[rickn]

I don't like either candidate.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
Michael Badnarik would be the ideal choice, if only because he has actually read the Constitution once or twice in his lifetime.

Personally, I am voting against Bush because of the impending budget crisis he has created.

While I'd be voting Badnarik, I seriously would not want him as President. Even though I like his ideas, he's a little too unstable for me. I wish the LP had someone better to offer this season.

I disagree. The only thing "unstable" about Badnarik is that he would cut off the federal money gravy train, both personal and corporate, as quickly as he could, which (to be as blunt as possible) would probably result in his rapid assassination.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Vic
Michael Badnarik would be the ideal choice, if only because he has actually read the Constitution once or twice in his lifetime.

Personally, I am voting against Bush because of the impending budget crisis he has created.

While I'd be voting Badnarik, I seriously would not want him as President. Even though I like his ideas, he's a little too unstable for me. I wish the LP had someone better to offer this season.

I disagree. The only thing "unstable" about Badnarik is that he would cut off the federal money gravy train, both personal and corporate, as quickly as he could, which (to be as blunt as possible) would probably result in his rapid assassination.

Yeah, that kinda what I mean. We do need radical, wholesale changes in our Federal government, but you can't really implement them all at once and overnight without creating chaos. I'd like to think Badnarik understands this, but his comments about disbanding the IRS, freeing all drug-related criminals, and kicking the UN out of the country on his first day on the job makes me a little uneasy.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

I am not depressed. I am hopefull that we will get the piece of sh1t and his cronies out of the white house and hopefully on trial for the crimes against humanity that were commited under their watch.

...oh, and I already voted.