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Question for the right: Do you support voter suppression?

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Do you supprt voter suppression to help win elections?

  • Yes, I support winning elections as more important than valuing votes even if for the other party

  • No, I value votes and democracy more than winning elections through suppression

  • Other, not a Republican, etc.

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Craig234 said:
ABC News quoted one typical estimate:

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When I hired someone they needed a Drivers License or State ID Card or I think Military ID, Social Security Card, and a possible Green Card.

11%? I realize that some of those would be of the retired age, but that's a lot of people who don't have a job.
 
randomrogue said:
When I hired someone they needed a Drivers License or State ID Card or I think Military ID, Social Security Card, and a possible Green Card.

11%? I realize that some of those would be of the retired age, but that's a lot of people who don't have a job.
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I'm surprised it's so high too. Our being surprised doesn't change the problem.
 
Well if those numbers are right wouldn't that almost imply that just about every unemployed person in the country doesn't have a government ID?

I think we can solve our entire unemployment problem by simply getting them an ID card.

Who knew it would be this easy to fix the economy!?
 
randomrogue said:
Well if those numbers are right wouldn't that almost imply that just about every unemployed person in the country doesn't have a government ID?

I think we can solve our entire unemployment problem by simply getting them an ID card.

Who knew it would be this easy to fix the economy!?
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Unemployment numbers only count those looking for work, not the retired/elderly, etc.
 
chucky2 said:
Fine time for a National ID card...takes care of voting and illegal hiring all at once...
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You could require a magic hat and that won't solve the illegal hiring. The problem there is that nobody checks the documents. You are only required to take them, photocopy them, and file them. Then when you get a letter from the government about an error with one of the SSN numbers or something there are no consequences if you don't respond. You can just ignore it.

We allow illegal immigration.

I get the sense that we allow voter fraud too.
 
chucky2 said:
Fine time for a National ID card...takes care of voting and illegal hiring all at once...
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What are you talking about? We already have one.

randomrogue said:
You could require a magic hat and that won't solve the illegal hiring. The problem there is that nobody checks the documents. You are only required to take them, photocopy them, and file them. Then when you get a letter from the government about an error with one of the SSN numbers or something there are no consequences if you don't respond. You can just ignore it.

We allow illegal immigration.

I get the sense that we allow voter fraud too.
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This.
 
randomrogue said:
You could require a magic hat and that won't solve the illegal hiring. The problem there is that nobody checks the documents. You are only required to take them, photocopy them, and file them. Then when you get a letter from the government about an error with one of the SSN numbers or something there are no consequences if you don't respond. You can just ignore it.
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How would an illegal get a National ID card though? I guess the same place they get the stolen SSN's...still it would maybe help solve both these issues.

We allow illegal immigration.
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Absolutely. The masters (extremes of both sides) want it, and hence the Politicians beholden to them assure it continues so as to stay in office.

I get the sense that we allow voter fraud too.
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Maybe we could use some national encryption, get a dedicated employment and voting system, and go with a retinal scan then. Fed can set them up in each post office, pump some tax payer money to them for having it there, and people can interview, decide on their hire, open up an employment ticket under their business tax ID with the persons national ID (SSN could be used), the person can go get scanned at the post office - after producing a valid ID and a form from the place that wants to hire them, and then get retinal scanned. If they match, then that is stored in the system and the employer can see that the person is legit (retinal matches the national ID/SSN) and can be employed. If it doesn't match, then the person wanting to be employed better get it figured out. Obviously for hire and fire in a day work, this wouldn't help...but then, nothing would really help there anyways so who cares...

Same thing for voting. Voting location has retinal scanner in each voting booth. Person can walk into any voting booth anywhere in the country (heck, even out of country as long as the location was on the system) on national election days, scan in, vote, commit their vote, vote is electronically recorded and printout generated in booth; person is provided with their printout, other printout is recorded on paper roll in secure storage on voting machine. At same time, person is excluded from voting in that election anywhere else in the country. Since the persons retinal is tied to a current address, that vote is recorded for that address.

Sounds pretty easy to me. Should just have to go through the pain once, then it's just simple maintenance as people turn 18 and whatever (hopefully small) overhead to keep it going.
 
The current results are 10 favoring suppression to win elections, and 13 favoring democracy over winning elections.

That's a disappointing number in support of suppression, but it's improved since earlier votes with 4-0 and 6-1 favoring suppression.

I appreciate the honesty, though.
 
Craig234 said:
The current results are 10 favoring suppression to win elections, and 13 favoring democracy over winning elections.

That's a disappointing number in support of suppression, but it's improved since earlier votes with 4-0 and 6-1 favoring suppression.

I appreciate the honesty, though.
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So have you stopped lying yet?
 
Craig234 said:
The current results are 10 favoring suppression to win elections, and 13 favoring democracy over winning elections.

That's a disappointing number in support of suppression, but it's improved since earlier votes with 4-0 and 6-1 favoring suppression.

I appreciate the honesty, though.
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Can you see you voted? I can't possibly imagine 10 of the countless trolls skewing your poll, or someone voting wrong because it is a loaded question, but you never know since all conservatives are clearly evil satanists. 🙄

In other polls, 97/100 Democrats support voter fraud if it would lead to conservatives being castrated.
 
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Since the 2000 election I have volunteered in a Democratic Party organization of lawyers whose purpose is to monitor election places and protect the right to vote. The group's stated goal is to protect the right to vote. I have helped many GOP potential voters overcome artificial hurdles and cast their votes.

The GOP frequently has a competing group of attorneys at the polling places. From my direct observation their ONLY function is to force the exclusion of potential voters. I have never seen any of the GOP attorneys do anything but attempt to obstruct and delay.

I have also observed a third group of lawyers, unaffiliated who essentially monitor the polls. When they do act they pretty much do the same thing we do-act to ensure the right to vote.

It's a popular GOP myth that the polls are swamped with dead voters, phony voters and multiple voters. All I can say is I've been an election monitor (off and on) since 1972 and I've never seen any such things going on, or even a hint of it.

Fortunately for the USA, the vast, vast majority of poll workers-from either party (and most are die-hard partisans of the Dems or GOP, depending on who selected them) are absolutely committed to full, free and open elections.
 
davmat787 said:
In other polls, 97/100 Democrats support voter fraud if it would lead to conservatives being castrated.
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Not necessary because it's already happened. Democrats have balls and conservatives have castrated themselves. An authoritarian mind is a mind that seeks to control the sources of power because it is afraid, afraid, in this thread, that crazy people will vote if their vote isn't suppressed. This cowardly fear and the desire to prevent democracy is nothing if not a lack of testicular fortitude. The Republican party is just a collection of mean little frightened people who lack balls collected into a large flock they hope will run over people with balls by stampeding around in a rage. Republicans were castrated as children to make them conform. They've not grown much emotionally since the age of ten.
 
davmat787 said:
Can you see you voted? I can't possibly imagine 10 of the countless trolls skewing your poll, or someone voting wrong because it is a loaded question, but you never know since all conservatives are clearly evil satanists. 🙄

In other polls, 97/100 Democrats support voter fraud if it would lead to conservatives being castrated.
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You have nothing to add, so you dump some garbage.

A straw man lie of 'false equivalency'.
 
Thump553 said:
Since the 2000 election I have volunteered in a Democratic Party organization of lawyers whose purpose is to monitor election places and protect the right to vote. The group's stated goal is to protect the right to vote. I have helped many GOP potential voters overcome artificial hurdles and cast their votes.

The GOP frequently has a competing group of attorneys at the polling places. From my direct observation their ONLY function is to force the exclusion of potential voters. I have never seen any of the GOP attorneys do anything but attempt to obstruct and delay.

I have also observed a third group of lawyers, unaffiliated who essentially monitor the polls. When they do act they pretty much do the same thing we do-act to ensure the right to vote.

It's a popular GOP myth that the polls are swamped with dead voters, phony voters and multiple voters. All I can say is I've been an election monitor (off and on) since 1972 and I've never seen any such things going on, or even a hint of it.

Fortunately for the USA, the vast, vast majority of poll workers-from either party (and most are die-hard partisans of the Dems or GOP, depending on who selected them) are absolutely committed to full, free and open elections.
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I think that's right.

But the radical right movement - Koch brothers and others - are pushing this 'voter suppression' agenda that forces Republican voters to be accomplices or disagree.

If Republican voters vote for the people doing this, they're supporting the policy.
 
Craig234 said:
I think that's right.

But the radical right movement - Koch brothers and others - are pushing this 'voter suppression' agenda that forces Republican voters to be accomplices or disagree.

If Republican voters vote for the people doing this, they're supporting the policy.
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Have you ever thought "Gee, I could actually do something useful with my life!"

If the biggest concern you have in life is that the GOP is evilly requiring photo IDs to vote, to bolster their evil destruction of everything that is good in this country - then get your ass up off the computer chair and start helping your "progressives" obtain photo IDs.

Instead you waste your life on a meaningless political non-sense forum thinking you're the King Shit of the world. Congratulations, we are all so proud of you and your efforts to save this country from evil.
 
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