Question for the resident AT atheists

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NSFW
Could you please give me one scientific fact that proves God doesn't exist?

excellent question.

what cannot be proved and yet cannot be disproved may actually exist.

It's frightening that THAT is the logic that wannabelievers use to justify their fairy tales. Fine. Your invisible man in the sky has EXACTLY as much merit as the 1000 foot tall purple dragon that lives in my mailbox.

To each his own. I am not asking you to believe in anything. Am I?

No, it's just that your grasping at straws strikes me as nothing more than desperation and while I admit it's amusing it's also sort of sad. Tonight, why don't you pray to the invisible man in the sky to provide you with some sort of logic that doesn't make the rest of us howl in derisive laughter at your expense. Surely an omnipotent invisible man in the sky can handle such a simple request. It's not like he's busy with world peace, an end to hunger, stopping disease and reigning in his hand-selected pedophiles.

Really, that's insulting, but if that's your intention, congratulations. You have succeeded.

Why am I not insulting your atheism? Hmmmm....

Because you can't. If the silly, tired old "well, you can't disprove god..." inanities are the extent of your debating skills you simply lack the capacity to argue at this level. Pray for guidance. If the invisible man in the sky wanted you to win in threads like this he would have blessed you with the ability to do so. The fact that you get kicked around every single time and the fact that you simply can't stay out of these threads must be part of his divine plan for you.

Alright, I will answer my question to you, since you avoided it.
Why am I not insulting your atheism? Because I'm a nicer person than you. Why am I a nicer person than you? Not difficult to figure that one out.

Ad Hominem fail.

It's not insulting it, it's pointing out what your beliefs are from a different perspective, be it accurate or not.

What a lot of people don't understand, is you have to go beyond the way things are said and think about the actual meaning. A lot of people have trouble conveying exactly how they feel in a way everyone can understand.

For instance, I'd argue most atheists are not trying to be condescending when conveying their logic to someone who believes opposite. Rather, most are trying to have an intelligent conversation, trying to bring the other person into an understanding of their mindset, and of course, trying to bring others into the same realm of logic. We infinitely believe we are better than though believers. :laugh: So, of course we want to convert you. Ooops, shit that's just like religion. Well, goes to show we are all the same regardless of what we believe.

But seriously, to someone who hears an opinion so radically opposite their own, coupled with the fact that this belief transcends everything and to oppose it is to be considered a damaged individual. For them to hear any words of the topic from an atheist, immediately they will be deeply offended. They will sometimes react differently, but that is the feeling we all share. We are all just trying to bless upon the world what is truly right. Of course, only one of us can be right, ahem us. But we are trying to be peaceful in our messages, others less and others quite righteous, and we want you to understand.

 

[lyssword]

By the way NSFW, if you're trying to investigate if god exists or doesn't, your actions are that of an atheist. "True" Christians (which I was at one point) wouldn't even let the thought in their mind. If you continue to use good logic you'll become either agnostic or atheist. Or maybe you aren't really trying to find answers and just trolling, like other posters said.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NSFW
Could you please give me one scientific fact that proves God doesn't exist?

excellent question.

what cannot be proved and yet cannot be disproved may actually exist.

Quite a horrible question that does not even seek an answer.

Something that cannot be proved nor disproved is something not studied by science, why would you require a scientific fact? Oh, because you're retarded.

But I thought that science was in conflict with Creation?

Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

 

[IronWing]

Quote trimming is in order, thank you.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: lyssword
The idea of God exists, in the minds of religious people. But the idea that there is no god also exists in the minds of non-religious.

Thanks for the insight. This is the type of thing that people might think is poignant and deep only when they're high.

and this is where religion was born my friend... in highness.

 

[Nik]

IDONTKNOWWHATWEREYELLINGABOUT

 

[destrekor]

ironwing: Quote trimming is in order, thank you.
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Thanks for the tip. I'll take it into consideration.

 

[alyarb]

the real story of creation is so much cooler anyway

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Not shocked at all. Like I said, it's typical, the intolerance.
I am just saying I don't insult your beliefs... or your non-beliefs as it is, but yet you feel it's fine to criticize mine. Nothing I have just said is untrue.

Well, to be fair, the only logical way to insult someone for non-belief is if there's clear evidence to support belief and it's being ignored. I guess some atheists feel justified in being condescending because faith is fundamentally unreasonable, and atheists tend to hold reason in high regard, which may naturally lead them to unfavorable conclusions about those who espouse faith.

I don't think it does anyone any good to be unkind about it either way.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NSFW
Could you please give me one scientific fact that proves God doesn't exist?

excellent question.

what cannot be proved and yet cannot be disproved may actually exist.

Quite a horrible question that does not even seek an answer.

Something that cannot be proved nor disproved is something not studied by science, why would you require a scientific fact? Oh, because you're retarded.

But I thought that science was in conflict with Creation?

edit: I retract my previous statement if anyone saw it.

Science is in conflict with creation because their is more evidence for evolution, that is if you believe both views to be incompatible.

Science is not in conflict with an idea of god. God cannot be explored by science. You are again corrected, this time more accurately.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NSFW
Could you please give me one scientific fact that proves God doesn't exist?

excellent question.

what cannot be proved and yet cannot be disproved may actually exist.

Quite a horrible question that does not even seek an answer.

Something that cannot be proved nor disproved is something not studied by science, why would you require a scientific fact? Oh, because you're retarded.

But I thought that science was in conflict with Creation?

Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

We don't know exactly where and when the first organism was created, but I believe that it has been demonstrated that abiogenesis was possible under the conditions found on primordial earth.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I can prove it mathematically.

2 + 2 = 4

There is no room for god in that equation. If you put god in there, the equation won't balance. If you add god to your life, either your life won't balance or, if you believe god provides balance, this suggests you were unbalanced to begin with.

whoa, man

of course, most people are unbalanced, and thus the reason religion propagated with much ease.

but to suggest we are unbalanced, suggested that... woaahhh, god too is unbalanced. :shocked:, for "we were created in his image"
:laugh:

wait, adding god to unbalanced equation, which is to add something that we formerly were without, and suddenly it appears we couldn't have been created without balance to only later gain balance... my mind man...
but i think i get it...

:laugh:

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I don't see what you're leading to.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

I really wonder what you're trying to do here. Are you looking for a physical cosmology lesson, or are you still just trolling?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I've been kinda busy (trying to conduct research in a windshield in the desert is not very rewarding, i assumed, so i didn't even try) so no, i haven't, why would i, i'm confident that people much brighter than me will present it in such a way that the information is easy to learn and understand, like they have with evolution, and when when that happens, i'll study it.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I've been kinda busy (trying to conduct research in a windshield in the desert is not very rewarding, i assumed, so i didn't even try) so no, i haven't, why would i, i'm confident that people much brighter than me will present it in such a way that the information is easy to learn and understand, like they have with evolution, and when when that happens, i'll study it.

so then you are claiming to have no knowledge of the issue that you have been so vocal about in this thread?

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I don't see what you're leading to.

My spider-sense is tingling. I'm foreseeing some funny argument about accepting scientific evidence "ON FAITH!!!"

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I don't see what you're leading to.

Don't worry, i know exactly where he's going, "have you not gazed upon the stars and wondered" and all that crap. He's talking about spiritual enlightenment which i've only experienced once, on peyote and if god isn't a big fucking cat, well then that enlightenment wasn't worth much.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

so the Big Bang Theory is wrong?

It might be rigth, it might be wrong, right now we don't know, no one can claim knowledge on that part of creation.

Is it the most plausible explanation, well yeah, to date it actually is but that doesn't mean much considering the lack of evidence.

Reasonable people demand reasonable evidence before they claim knowledge on something.

and you have searched for that evidence?

I've been kinda busy (trying to conduct research in a windshield in the desert is not very rewarding, i assumed, so i didn't even try) so no, i haven't, why would i, i'm confident that people much brighter than me will present it in such a way that the information is easy to learn and understand, like they have with evolution, and when when that happens, i'll study it.

so then you are claiming to have no knowledge of the issue that you have been so vocal about in this thread?

Not at all, do you have a comprehension problem or do you just blurt out shit like this because you are very high?

I've never claimed knowledge of a big bang and no one asked me before you did either.

You are building a man of straw to punch down, but it has nothing to do with me.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NSFW
Could you please give me one scientific fact that proves God doesn't exist?

excellent question.

what cannot be proved and yet cannot be disproved may actually exist.

Quite a horrible question that does not even seek an answer.

Something that cannot be proved nor disproved is something not studied by science, why would you require a scientific fact? Oh, because you're retarded.

But I thought that science was in conflict with Creation?

Then you thought wrong, the real answer is that we don't know about creation, just that the concept of creationism is wrong as it pretends that the fact of evolution isn't a fact, hell even the Catholic Church has admitted it's a fact.

We don't know about the origin of the first organism, we do know what happened after it.

Ok?

We don't know exactly where and when the first organism was created, but I believe that it has been demonstrated that abiogenesis was possible under the conditions found on primordial earth.

This.

We very much know believe that a billion or two billion years ago, the Earth was likely in a condition very much lethal to actual life, but perfect breeding ground for early life form chemistry. As the Earth cooled, these materials were there (or could have been brought by icy comets and the like), and as water filled the surface, tidal pools formed. Remember, this was all after an object collided with Earth and sent the Earth's molten innards out to form the Moon. Quite a bit after.

These tidal pools, with an early atmosphere, gave way for insane amounts of radiation to pelt the surface. For random bits trapped in a tidal pool, radiation helped create further chemistry. RNA may have already been present from earlier chemical reactions, and mutations in RNA gave way to self-replication.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Actually, the only thing i was vocal about was regarding whether it's reasonable to demand that someone disproves something immaterial and invisible, like the examples i gave above.

 

[alyarb]

even if you could prove that the big bang was how things started, it wouldn't disprove god. it's been shown in many many ways across many many scientific disciplines that the anthropological, geological history of the planet bears no resemblance to the story of creation. so if the big bang theory were ever proven true, how could it elicit a response at all different from religion's previous responses to discovery?