Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: NSFW
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: NSFW
Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
This is one thing I don't get. How does discrediting a cosmological model of the origins of the universe -- like the Big Bang Theory -- support the view that God exists? Even if you manage to scientifically disprove some commonly-held notions like these, the real explanation would still be absent. You don't just get to plug "God" in there to make it work and call it a day. The same goes for arguments against evolution.
The Big Bang Theory is pretty clear evidence that God does exist IMHO.
Actually, the Big Bang Theory, if you understood it, pretty much does away with god, no spacetime before beginning,
no infinity or eternality so that problem is solved, it was always there, thus,
no beginning neccessary.
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about, do you?
Huh?
So there is no beginning but there is no infinity? I've been reading a ton on the Big Bang, the laws of thermodynamics and causuality. Pretty interesting stuff.
It's hard to describe without using words such as infinite.
However, that there law of thermodynamics means the energy that existed at the creation of the big bang could not have been created, nor destroyed. That energy now exists in everything we know, just in a different shape than the energy prior to the big bang. The big bang was a result of that energy being there, but it cannot be said for sure that the universe is the only purpose of this energy. Some other style of universe could have existed prior to the big bang that established our universe. Chaos Theory can be applied to literally everything, and it would prove useful in applying at the events that have led to everything we know about the history of the universe. Think of the number of times similar events could have occurred prior to the moments that led to things we knew. There have been over 14 billion years since the big bang, obviously a lot of things have happened. And I could go on and on...
my point, however, is to apply Chaos Theory to the very beginning of the universe. Numerous things could very well have happened differently. We cannot imagine a different outcome because we have no evidence it has occurred, because the way things occurred were potentially specific to the chance of our outcome. So obviously had they occurred differently, we might not exist. We look for reason, which means we apply everything retroactively, which leads to predicted history. But everything may very well have been chance if you take it back far enough. I say that to mean that a theory exists that states the universe will expand, and never end. Eventually that could lead to problems, and cause everything to retract (one theory states it never stops expanding, so a future contraction would be contrary to that specific theory). Once it contracts to a point the energy is essentially "pure" with no specifics such as potentially down to not even electrons or anything else exists, just a pure mass of an incomprehensible "something".
That theory provides for the necessary "spark" to trigger it to expand into something that its not, which in our case means a universe. It could do something different every time it expands, in my approach to a universal theory of everything.
But realize in this approach, a God could easily be summed up. A random trigger. What if once it condenses to pureness, that energy might lose the necessary motion to trigger a reaction. Until an initial reaction occurs.
What that initial reaction is, could be random. In our case, it was likely an initial fusion reaction that led to possibly the first electrons, protons, neutrons, and everything else. Other stars would lead the way to creating further elements, with the initial Big Bang creating Hydrogen and Helium prior to being completely without an initial center mass.
But what if the first reaction was different? It could be whatever initial reaction that wants to occur, which begs to question, is there a random spark. We can call this random spark the God Spark, I sure as hell would. It'd be mighty fitting and give an appropriate understanding.
However, this God Spark, included in the rest of the theory of everything, which I'd establish as essentially representing everything as a result of this initial reaction.
Everything that is possible, is from that initial reaction, that Big Bang in our case. Specifically, nothing can be external to the pure energy mass, again as that mass represents everything possible.
So a sentient being, and everything else, can not exist outside of what became the Big Bang. "Deities" can come into play as representing very advanced life which manipulates very primitive beings. This is a possibility, a very minute possibility, that I'd accept as representing Gods to cultures too primitive to understand exactly how advanced these beings truly are. That's something that can be a random chance, not any actual bullet points of this here theory.
Otherwise, this God Spark is just that, a spark that occurs completely randomly in these situations.
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