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question for the Christians - immortality

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He planned on Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the tree. That's why he put it, and the serpent there, right where they could easily get at it.
 
I refuse to attempt rational discussion about floods and lilith with someone with such atrocious grammar and spelling. I know I'm not perfect in that department but this is ridiculous.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
we're already multiplying beyond control so all of your assumptions about my assumptions are irrelevant.
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So you are making your argument basis that if these events occurred in your scenario, nothing in history would change except immortality?

Assuming the biblical story was true (because that was the hypothetical situation posed), then man would know no sin. There would never have been any wars (which shaped a large amount of our history), no diseases or plagues, very likely no technological advances (innovation is typically born of necessisity and want, neither of which would exist in Eden). No racism, no persecutions, no famine, no natural disasters, etc, etc. Do you really think the world would be exactly where it is now under your scenario? No. It wouldn't even come close to resembling what the world is now.

So your assumption that behaviors would remain the same is quite flawed, so my assumptions about your assumptions are quite relevant.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
How big of a flood here in US would it take to make you really stop and think about what I have been talking about.
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I have already stopped and thought about your ramblings and concluded that they are not worth the electrical current that was required to create them. No amount of natural disaster -- nor, even, a direct and irrefutable event proving that everything Christians believe is true -- would make me consider that your diatribe is of any value. That, unfortunately, is the result of the quality of your presentation.

So, in summation, I can find no reason to take your writing seriously at this point in time.
 
torpid said:
I have already stopped and thought about your ramblings and concluded that they are not worth the electrical current that was required to create them. No amount of natural disaster -- nor, even, a direct and irrefutable event proving that everything Christians believe is true -- would make me consider that your diatribe is of any value. That, unfortunately, is the result of the quality of your presentation.

So, in summation, I can find no reason to take your writing seriously at this point in time.
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LOL So you don't like my methods. Good. Next batter
 
GotIssues said:
So you are making your argument basis that if these events occurred in your scenario, nothing in history would change except immortality?

Assuming the biblical story was true (because that was the hypothetical situation posed), then man would know no sin. There would never have been any wars (which shaped a large amount of our history), no diseases or plagues, very likely no technological advances (innovation is typically born of necessisity and want, neither of which would exist in Eden). No racism, no persecutions, no famine, no natural disasters, etc, etc. Do you really think the world would be exactly where it is now under your scenario? No. It wouldn't even come close to resembling what the world is now.

So your assumption that behaviors would remain the same is quite flawed, so my assumptions about your assumptions are quite relevant.
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does any of what you stated even matter?
if people are dying now and the world is already overpopulating, then how could it be that a world where no one dies be less populated?

lets pick the first point off your list... wars.
wars have existed throughout history and many people died in them. the current population WITH wars stands at X number of people.

if there were no wars, there would be no deaths from wars, correct?
so assuming Y number people have died in all the collective wars in history, if there were no wars, the current population would be X + Y which is greater than X.

please state your point again, because one of us is confused or stupid.

fuck, none of this even makes sense because in my original hypothetical situation, NO ONE DIES because there was no sin!
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
if there were no wars, there would be no deaths from wars, correct?
so assuming Y number people have died in all the collective wars in history, if there were no wars, the current population would be X + Y which is greater than X.
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I could be wrong, but I believe his point is this.

Suppose Y people have died in all wars. If you add that to the current population of X, you get X + Y as you mentioned.

But the scenario proposed is not just "no one died in wars." There are a lot of other factors that change that would affect population and human behavior. Therefore there wouldn't likely be X as the base # of people, because of all of the other effects of the change to the human condition. Maybe it will be X + Y + 45 billion, or maybe it will be 32 people total all sitting around in their old people frocks and complaining about rabbits on their lawn.
 
God knew Eve would eat the apple, so it all worked out.

It was the only way to set in motion his plan to raise humanity in his image, love them gloriously, and then cast 90% of them into hell.

Isn't he wonderful?
 
torpid said:
I could be wrong, but I believe his point is this.

Suppose Y people have died in all wars. If you add that to the current population of X, you get X + Y as you mentioned.

But the scenario proposed is not just "no one died in wars." There are a lot of other factors that change that would affect population and human behavior. Therefore there wouldn't likely be X as the base # of people, because of all of the other effects of the change to the human condition. Maybe it will be X + Y + 45 billion, or maybe it will be 32 people total all sitting around in their old people frocks and complaining about rabbits on their lawn.
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Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

You're saying if you saw hot nekkid chicks all over the earth, you wouldn't be banging them 24/7?
 
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BlahBlahYouToo said:
Genesis 1:28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."
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Perhaps God's idea of a "full" earth is 32 old dudes in frocks. Too vague to know for sure. We need some dude with some golden tablets found in a cave to give us more info.
 
What you act like I don't know how the message would be recieved. SO many going to perish out of stupid pride. Adams flaw . 5,249 years and no improvement. I am sorry for you. But God in his wisdom did provide help for the true followers of his truth.
 
I will believe that the end of the world is coming when I see some actual validated proof. The rest is wishy washy stuff from people that don't know how the world works.

Some old book or stone vaguely waving its imaginary arms into the future is not proof.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
ROFLMAO!!! We have proof there wasn't a worldwide flood.
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Incidentally, what we do have is some evidence that there may have been an asteroid/comet impact in the ocean near the very region where the Bible's components were written and assembled. If you're living back in those days and the ocean abruptly rises up in an enormous tsunami and wipes out everything near the shoreline, you can bet that there are going to be some very interesting stories told by the survivors.
My money's on either that, or else some natural event that dumped a helluva lot of water on some ancient scared people.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
assuming Adam and Eve did not eat from the fruit and therefore would live eternally on earth, as would all their offspring... and God's command was to be "fruitful and multiply".

what was God's plan on overpopulation on planet Earth?
would the Earth grow in size? would people start inhabiting other planets?
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Quite a few people die daily to unnatural causes. In fact, how do you know you aren't still eternal? A major change to lifespans did not occur until Noah, and those changes were more likely environmental rather than biological.
 
busydude said:
Just read up on the creation of the earth in various religions. There are >5 versions just in Hinduism.
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Did I not give you that video the other day of all the messiahs who precede Christ . All born on dec25 Horus an egyptian God is in perfect alinment with the Cgrist story . EXACTLY a Match . But thats only 1 of many who precede Christ with similiar stories, What did you get out of that . I tell ya now I am not suppose to walk you threw this.
 
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