Question for the Atheists/Agnostics, #2 (Post all new issues here.)

[Gen Stonewall]

My first thread became quite long. Please read it over, and if you have new issues, post them here, not on the first thread (just trying to make everything more comfortable for people who want to post.) Here is my original question:



<< I see extremely fierce atheism at AT, and I am wondering why. Please share a specific part of the Bible (preferably a quoted verse) that turns you away from Christianity. Please do not comment if you are not answering my request, and don't comment about Christians themselves (your experience with them may have been when they had been acting foolishly). I am curious as to what you find inconsistent, offensive, flawed, etc. I invite other Christians to act in defense of the Bible. Again, please keep your comments on topic and thoughtful. >>

 

[Viper0329]

Many Christian faiths are based solely on the bible, which is a major misconception.

 

[StageLeft]

As a confirmed Roman catholic, now no longer a follower, I find most of it flawed and inconsistent. More importantly than the bible I found that religion, as well as any other I've seen, to be more interested in baseless and irational traditions than anything else. Too many unanswered questions and too many fantastical answers for me to tolerate and so in grade 10 I finally turned away.

 

[iamwiz82]

Most major religions today have been corrupted. Look how many deaths have been caused in god/allah/any other's name. I believe in God, but i dont believe in organized religion.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm with iamawiz.

 

[piku]

<< Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. >>


I'm out.

 

[KDOG]

Yawwwnn!!!

Not AGAIN!!!!!

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< As a confirmed Roman catholic, now no longer a follower, I find most of it flawed and inconsistent. More importantly than the bible I found that religion, as well as any other I've seen, to be more interested in baseless and irational traditions than anything else. Too many unanswered questions and too many fantastical answers for me to tolerate and so in grade 10 I finally turned away. >>



The huge majority of Church adherents don't even know what they're doing there. I probably have seen a little of what you've experienced. I should ask God to lead you to a competent Christian. (Be sure to read everything I said in the other thread about Catholicism.)

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< Yawwwnn!!! >>



I won't make another thread like this unless any time soon unless the fate of the earth depends on it. I am expecting that this thread will be shorter and more interesting (If people bring up all new topics) Read it if you're interested; don't if you aren't.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

<<

<< Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. >>


I'm out. >>



You got that wrong. It should be: In the begining the Earth cooled. Then the dinosaurs came, but they got big and fat, and the all died and turned to oil. Then the Arabs came and they all drove Mercedes Benz..


My problem with religon(Christianty in particular) is that in the old testament God was wrathful and vengful. But in the new testament he is kind and all loving. Why such a change? Maybe because more people will give us money if we promise them happiness and a place to go after death.

Hundreds to thousands of years ago I believe religon was very important to the people and society. It brought people together and helped advance the human race, but it also stagnated our growth, due to the corruption of the wealthy.

Even today, followers of the Good Book, say that they practice charity and forgiveness. What about the Protanstants and Chatholics in Ireland. They believe in the same God but they don't want to live together.
And in the imortal words of George Carlin
-Atheism is a non-prophet organization

 

[gopunk]

well, you can see the previous thread for my reasons...

these days you can't convert people in person... on the internet... i'd say that's wishful thinking.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< My problem with religon(Christianty in particular) is that in the old testament God was wrathful and vengful. But in the new testament he is kind and all loving. Why such a change? Maybe because more people will give us money if we promise them happiness and a place to go after death. >>



God has not changed. He just seemed more vengeful in the Old Testament because he had a whole nation to rule and needed strict laws to keep it in order. (This may be more important (but you won't believe me when I say it): true Christians have an innate ability to follow God because God physically lives inside them (you're probably shaking your head furiously, but if you experienced it, you'd believe me). God emphasized the law in the O.T. because the Jews' behavior was governed solely by it. Today, Christians' behavior is governed (to the extent a Christian will allow) by God himself, not just pieces of paper (something that could only happen with Jesus' death). BTW, love and forgiveness is all over the O.T., and justice and righteousness is all over the N.T.

 

[Grminalac]

The main problem is the christians themselves, I have attended many chruches and they basically break down into the whole community stabbing each other in the back. Its sick and rediculous.

 

[jthsmak]

What a presumptuous little ah heck you are? First of all, repost. You assume that Christianity, although a popular religion, is the only one I have a problem with. I'm not in the mood to debate right now, though.

 

Why is god white in " the good book"?

 

[MustangSVT]

<<

<< Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. >>


I'm out. >>



ditto.

 

[woodly6]

i'm not feeling alright today
i'm not feeling that great
i'm not catching on fire today
love has started to fade
i'm not going to smile today
i'm not gonna laugh
you're out living it up today
i've got dues to pay


and the grave-digger puts on the forceps
the stone mason does all the work
the barber can give you a haircut
the carpenter can take you out to lunch


i just want to play on my pan-pipes
i just want to drink me some wine
as soon as your born you start dying
so you might as well have a good time


sheep go to heaven
goats go to hell

i don't wanna go to sunset strip
i don't wanna feel the emptiness
bold marquees with stupid band names
i don't wanna go to sunset strip

and the grave-digger puts on the forceps
the stone mason does all the work
the barber can give you a haircut
the carpenter can take you out to lunch

i just want to play on my pan-pipes
i just want to drink me some wine
as soon as your born you start dying
so you might as well have a good time

sheep go to heaven
goats go to hell

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< First of all, repost >>



Am I committing a faux pas or etiquette mistake? I created this thread because the other one was pretty long. (And I kind of wanted a thread reserved for new, ultra-thoughtful posts. Plus there may be people who still want to say something.)

 

[jthsmak]

Yes, most of use are pretty bored of this argument. Even if it does get really started again, all it will do is agitate.

 

[MikeO]

<< Too many unanswered questions and too many fantastical answers for me to tolerate >>



Doesnt seem to bother them that they cannot give any evidence with their answers... dunno about others, but I tend not to believe something someone forces on me saying it's the ultimate truth and yet cannot give one piece of evidence to go with it.




<< had a whole nation to rule and needed strict laws to keep it in order. >>



So he created people who try to break his laws only so he could make those laws or... ummm... nevermind.




<< because God physically lives inside them >>



Physically? Wouldnt they see it in x-rays or something? Try spiritually.




<< BTW, love and forgiveness is all over the O.T., and justice and righteousness is all over the N.T. >>



So is the flood and drowing almost all the humans he created love/forgiveness or justice/righteousness?

 

[SWScorch]

I'm a fierce atheist, but not because something in the bible turned me away from religion. thats just arrogant. Thats just completely ignoring all other religions. I'm atheist, because I dont see how a supreme diety could even be possible. Its just too conveneient to have a god that made us, is watching over us, and grants us a place in heaven if we believe in him. I believe that religion is nothing more than a security blanket for people afraid of death and who need some motivation to stay morally sound.

 

[linuxboy]

I believe that religion is nothing more than a security blanket for people afraid of death and who need some motivation to stay morally sound.

I don't fear death and never have. I don't need motivation to do what I feel is necessary and right. I believe in the Ultimate or the Real. I do it out of both philosophical justification and out of faith. Why do you see your argument as supported better than any one for theism. Ultimately, it is a choice and one of convenience for most people. Some, however, do it based on a search for truth. No system can be perfect.

Cheers !

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Aaggh! This is just a repeat of the last thread! This is like what Jesus went through with the Pharisees, who made so many silly, hateful comments that he gave up on them. They wanted to trap him; they were not seeking to gain information or considering accepting Jesus' message. If you have the Pharisees' mindset, don't share anything. If no one responds, then I know it is pointless to continue this thread. (And yes, I have considered the atheists' message, and decided the Christian message was far better. I haven't always been a Christian, you know.)

 

[MikeO]

<< And yes, I have considered the atheists' message, and decided the Christian message was far better. >>



What are those messages?

 

[Looney]

Aaggh! This is just a repeat of the last thread!

What did you expect? That another thread will start converting athiests to Christians? You wanted to know the reason why atheists are atheists, and the reasons are given. Sorry you think it's a rehash of the last thread, but what did you really expect?