Question for street racers.

[Desslok]

I was watching the thousandth rerun of MTV Real Life "I am a street racer". Well the first guy they have on is all bragging about his Integra running 200HP w/o Nitrious and~ 230HP with. Well that is all well and good but what good are those numbers if you are out in the garage all night trying to get the engine to run correctly? Then later in the show he accepts a race and then gets there turns off his car talks then gets back in and it won't start. He has to have his GF jump in and start it while he adjusts something on the engine.

That is like me going out and modding my WRX to over 400 HP and then driving it around bragging about it, but when it comes time to back it up it blows up in my face. Yes you can make your car look good but in the end can you back up your claims w/o having to work on it 24/7?

 

[notfred]

haha, my car made more than 200hp stock.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Just get a Dodge Viper and save yourself the trouble.

 

[Desslok]

Nah I need the backseat

 

[CraigRT]

You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot.
it's called "internals"

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.
now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Yield
You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot. it's called "internals" put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right. now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Most of these guys want to go spend the least amount possible and doing that and wanting to go fast is not a good mix.

 

[rootaxs]

I think most people do it not just for the #'s but for the joy of doing it. Turn the story around and apply it to the OC'ers. Sure it's easier to just purchase a faster CPU, but where's the fun of desperately trying to find the best P.S. and cooling methods to stably/properly OC that chip?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Yield
You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot.
it's called "internals"

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.
now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Define "internals" cause it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Brutuskend]

My car is quick (for a air cooled VW) and it starts EVERY TIME.

No N.O., no turbo, no E.F.I. But I built the whole thing with the best parts I could get, took my time and it shows.

 

[Tom]

Having nothing to do with street racing or the bonehead in the tv show..

optimizing performance requires proper engineering and continous adustment and tuning.

 

[SlowSS]

I prefer Naturally Aspirated engines. When my warranty runs out,
I'm planning to add heads/cam package which will yield over 400RWHP.

Nothing is wrong with Forced Induction, but with NA engines,
less of parts to install and to fail.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield
You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot.
it's called "internals"

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.
now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Define "internals" cause it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

well, my friend ran nitrous on his DOHC Neon, his times kept getting worse and worse at the track, eventally opened up his engine to find his rings were indeed fried... also, the pistons were gouged out alot too.. it was because of the nitrous.. same thing happened to my friends SOHC car... friend some of the internal parts.. car still runs.. but it cripples the engine....

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: rootaxs
I think most people do it not just for the #'s but for the joy of doing it. Turn the story around and apply it to the OC'ers. Sure it's easier to just purchase a faster CPU, but where's the fun of desperately trying to find the best P.S. and cooling methods to stably/properly OC that chip?

Good point, but when you crash your system due to it being unstable you are not out whatever you bet saying you can beat the other guy/girl.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield
You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot.
it's called "internals"

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.
now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Define "internals" cause it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

well, my friend ran nitrous on his DOHC Neon, his times kept getting worse and worse at the track, eventally opened up his engine to find his rings were indeed fried... also, the pistons were gouged out alot too.. it was because of the nitrous.. same thing happened to my friends SOHC car... friend some of the internal parts.. car still runs.. but it cripples the engine....

That has nothing to do w/ anything that was described in the first post, though. When the guy jumped out of his integra to adjust something on the motor, he wasn't swapping out the piston rings. He was adjusting air/fuel mixture or timing or something. The best piston rings in the world wouldn't have made the car run any better.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield
You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot.
it's called "internals"

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.
now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Define "internals" cause it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

well, my friend ran nitrous on his DOHC Neon, his times kept getting worse and worse at the track, eventally opened up his engine to find his rings were indeed fried... also, the pistons were gouged out alot too.. it was because of the nitrous.. same thing happened to my friends SOHC car... friend some of the internal parts.. car still runs.. but it cripples the engine....

That has nothing to do w/ anything that was described in the first post, though. When the guy jumped out of his integra to adjust something on the motor, he wasn't swapping out the piston rings. He was adjusting air/fuel mixture or timing or something. The best piston rings in the world wouldn't have made the car run any better.

well you obviously didn't read my post.. i was talking about nitrous............ i was suggesting how to get more power without hurting your engine... i didn't say anything about tuning it to make it run better standing under the hood.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Yield You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot. it's called "internals" put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right. now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.

Define "internals" cause it doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.

well, my friend ran nitrous on his DOHC Neon, his times kept getting worse and worse at the track, eventally opened up his engine to find his rings were indeed fried... also, the pistons were gouged out alot too.. it was because of the nitrous.. same thing happened to my friends SOHC car... friend some of the internal parts.. car still runs.. but it cripples the engine....

That has nothing to do w/ anything that was described in the first post, though. When the guy jumped out of his integra to adjust something on the motor, he wasn't swapping out the piston rings. He was adjusting air/fuel mixture or timing or something. The best piston rings in the world wouldn't have made the car run any better.

I just hope he had a good fuel system and a good computer to handle fuel delivery. If not that engine is not long for this world.

 

[LAUST]

The numbers game is what we people with REAL power refer to is "Bench Racing" Dyno's are WORTHLESS for bragging to us, Dyno's should be used for TUNING ONLY.

Take my motor for instance, it's crank output is 570lbs of torque, now put that in a 3200lb car... "Smoookin'" Now put it in my 5300lb truck.. no big deal it runs a high 14 at 5800FT.

The only Horse Power/Torque numbers that matter as far as someone's car are done with 1/4 mile E.T. and MPH calculations. Example

My truck = 5300lbs - E.T. = 14.9 MPH = 89 - Altitude = 5800 291HP @ the Wheels @ 5800FT <---- that is a REAL LIFE off the paper number. People who talk numbers are just that.. Talkers.

The ET method

The formula is: hp = weight / (ET / 5.825)3

The Trap-speed method

The formula is: hp = weight * (speed / 234)3

 

[Antisocial Virge]

I went to a mud drag, hill climb event one time. The local news was pimping this locally sponsered vehicle which made over 500+ hp. We got close when they were unloading it and let me tell you, a 340 dodge with 8 straight pipes will make your ears bleed. It got to the start line at the bottom of the hill, flag dropped...it stalled and would not restart It was overcast that day and everything running nitrous was having probs due to low pressure I guess. when they finally got it started the thing went over the top of the hill so fast that people were running for cover. :Q

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: LAUST
The numbers game is what we people with REAL power refer to is "Bench Racing" Dyno's are WORTHLESS for bragging to us, Dyno's should be used for TUNING ONLY. Take my motor for instance, it's crank output is 570lbs of torque, now put that in a 3200lb car... "Smoookin'" Now put it in my 5300lb truck.. no big deal it runs a high 14 at 5800FT. The only Horse Power/Torque numbers that matter as far as someone's car are done with 1/4 mile E.T. and MPH calculations. Example My truck = 5300lbs - E.T. = 14.9 MPH = 89 - Altitude = 5800 291HP @ the Wheels @ 5800FT <---- that is a REAL LIFE off the paper number. People who talk numbers are just that.. Talkers. The ET method The formula is: hp = weight / (ET / 5.825)3 The Trap-speed method The formula is: hp = weight * (speed / 234)3

I agree with you 100 percent LAUST. DYNO can and do lie.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: LAUST
The numbers game is what we people with REAL power refer to is "Bench Racing" Dyno's are WORTHLESS for bragging to us, Dyno's should be used for TUNING ONLY.

Take my motor for instance, it's crank output is 570lbs of torque, now put that in a 3200lb car... "Smoookin'" Now put it in my 5300lb truck.. no big deal it runs a high 14 at 5800FT.

The only Horse Power/Torque numbers that matter as far as someone's car are done with 1/4 mile E.T. and MPH calculations. Example

My truck = 5300lbs - E.T. = 14.9 MPH = 89 - Altitude = 5800 291HP @ the Wheels @ 5800FT <---- that is a REAL LIFE off the paper number. People who talk numbers are just that.. Talkers.

The ET method

The formula is: hp = weight / (ET / 5.825)3

The Trap-speed method

The formula is: hp = weight * (speed / 234)3

heh, nice post.. now i am sure most ppl will need to bust out the automotive dictionary here.
good point though man...

 

[Tom]

What if your dragstrip is downhill ?

 

[DDDavey]

My first question is: Why is this aimed at Street Racers? You do know that there's tracks out there that you can go to on Wed & Fri night usually, and DRAG race

It all depends on what that guy was running. If he needs to jump out and adjust poop just to get his car to start, then IMO he has no clue WTF he's doing tuning his car...

Of course, certain altitudes, weather, and everything else can affect engine performance, because it changes the air etc., so in racing situations one may want to change a couple settings to match the fuel & timing to the quality of the air.

But just to start the car? He needs to learn to tune.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Yield
well you obviously didn't read my post.. i was talking about nitrous............ i was suggesting how to get more power without hurting your engine... i didn't say anything about tuning it to make it run better standing under the hood.

Actually, your post said

You can make it alot faster without having to work on it alot. it's called "internals"

That seems to imply that 1) better internals make your car faster. And 2) replacing the internals is not a lot of work.

Then you go on to say

put a turbo on the engine, and do the internals... shouldn't have any problems other than normal if it's done right.

This is usually true.

[q/]now, if you run Nitrous that's different.. it's not good for your engine. nitrous on a stock engine will eventually kill it.[/quote]
Since when are we talking about a stock engine? Didn't we just repalce the internals about two sentances ago? Nitrous on a built motor is going to be jsut as reliable as a turbo, if you do it right.

 

[DDDavey]

Originally posted by: LAUST
The numbers game is what we people with REAL power refer to is "Bench Racing" Dyno's are WORTHLESS for bragging to us, Dyno's should be used for TUNING ONLY.

Take my motor for instance, it's crank output is 570lbs of torque, now put that in a 3200lb car... "Smoookin'" Now put it in my 5300lb truck.. no big deal it runs a high 14 at 5800FT.

The only Horse Power/Torque numbers that matter as far as someone's car are done with 1/4 mile E.T. and MPH calculations. Example

My truck = 5300lbs - E.T. = 14.9 MPH = 89 - Altitude = 5800 291HP @ the Wheels @ 5800FT <---- that is a REAL LIFE off the paper number. People who talk numbers are just that.. Talkers.

In addition to that, it's not just about HP/TQ. What good is 600ft/lb of torque, unless you can make it hook? It's a lot more than just Dyno #'s.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
What if your dragstrip is downhill ?

Then it's not NHRA certified.