Isn't that what the left tells us regarding illegals over and over again? They're just hard working trying to provide for their family.
If they can do it, why the hell can Americans not?
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Isn't that what the left tells us regarding illegals over and over again? They're just hard working trying to provide for their family.
If they can do it, why the hell can Americans not?
But don't you argue that all entitlements SHOULD be shut off?
Anarchist420
Diamond Member
Non SS and non Medicare Welfare, including our standing military, should be abolished immediately. SS and Medicare should be phased out. However, the COLA's would be limited to <= CPI, and I would reform Medicare so that no one gets more than a 1.25k/yr voucher for medical costs.
No. Only severely curtailed. If you can work, get to work. If you want government money (mine really), get to work. If you can't, then I'm fine with contributing to take care of them minimally and do via generous charitable contributions.
Oh, and the key to success is to ween them off of it.
OK, I don't necessarily disagree with that. I'm thinking of people who want absolutely no safety net.
Lithium381
Lifer
No. I think welfare is overall a good idea; helping out your fellow man is a good thing., it's just very poorly implemented the way our government has it setup. It should be temporary. It should be used to help you when you are down on your luck. Yes.
I'm just saying if it comes down to it, those who are able and willing will be the ones who make it, those who are lazy and expect handouts will not.
Please differentiate between those who WON'T work and those who CAN'T.
Here's what will really blow your mind. Every single one of my co-workers (upper middle class consultants) thinks exactly like I do and have been prep'ing as well. Your views are the extreme minority of this nation.
For those who don't produce, standard of living will decrease. For those who produce, standard of living will increase. To assume people would starve and be living on the streets butt naked is nothing but FUD.
God Mode
Platinum Member
This sounds like slavery 2.0. The angry poor would revolt while the cowardly or pacifist poor would become slaves for shelter and food.
I'd also bet a lot of "fiscal conservatives" would lose their shirt if the poor were no longer there to buy and consume. At best, these companies would lose their user base and become dwarfed by foreign companies eventually becoming poor themselves on the international stage.
I'd also bet a lot of "fiscal conservatives" would lose their shirt if the poor were no longer there to buy and consume. At best, these companies would lose their user base and become dwarfed by foreign companies eventually becoming poor themselves on the international stage.
feralkid
Lifer
Lulz, one guy bought 100k of silver, physical, in hand about a year ago. Scared, or damn smart at foreseeing what is coming? Hope you've been paying attention to what's going on in the EU.
Not scared, just preparing. You should be as well.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
These "Fiscal nuts" would change their tune in a heart beat if the shoe was suddenly on the other foot.
At least they have come out in the open on how much they hate this country.
The real question is why do they stay here?
Clearly this is not the country for them.
At least they have come out in the open on how much they hate this country.
The real question is why do they stay here?
Clearly this is not the country for them.
So you're talking about business fleeing CA? Yep. That's the end result of liberalism/communism. There can be no other way.
Zorkorist
Diamond Member
Are you giving in that Government no longer taxes people for the safety net? No Social Security Taxes. No Medicare Taxes. No Taxing to spend on the Military?
No Regulation? No Insurance requirements? No Death Tax, etc.?
No Government to speak of, other than, what a community demands and needs?
If so, then easily, I say damn the (Government) safety-net.
The people, have easily survived for millenia, without Government.
-John
woolfe9999
Diamond Member
Out of curiosity, which "millenia" did "the people" survive "without government?" Are we talking about pre-history here, or some other time frame?
umbrella39
Lifer
Your opinion that a people need to stock up and arm themselves for a civil war with poor/homeless people is a majority viewpoint! Yeah, OK...
LMFAO
umbrella39
Lifer
Don't let him fool you, these "others" are just some of the other voices in his fucked up head. He is displaying his future 100% insanity plea here for all to see. It's just a matter of time before he's trying to cop a deal for something the voices told him to do.
woolfe9999
Diamond Member
Is that what you want to go back to, pre-history? Sure, man "survived then." Is mere survival enough?
You haven't been paying to world events I see.
There will come a time very soon where the haves and have-nots will war. It's all part of the communist in chief's plan. Learn from history and prepare. It's already started.
Learn from history, it's happening all over again. But the last time we believed in country, and now the left has mobilized via a "community organizer" as president.
I'm prepared to survive him, are you?
Zorkorist
Diamond Member
One might say we thrived, back then, and that is what has led to today.
A day where one can argue, we have huge questions facing ourselves, and our Government. Where we are hugely in debt, and looking to raise our debt ceiling.
infohawk is obviously looking for the "I'm so scared, Government must lead us so we all don't die, answer," and challenging people who believe that Government is not the answer, but the problem.
It's obvious to me, that, reducing Government spending, will only help the general populace.
-John
Lithium381
Lifer
Who causes most violent crime in america? The well-to-do or the poorer classes? Currently we have (somewhat of) a police force that sorta keeps them in check by arriving after the crime has been commited to document it..... but what happens when those police are gone? Have you not seen the riots in Oakland and vancouver(over a freakin' sport?@!!) , or the aftermath of Katrina?
Yep. I'd like to point out the segment of the population that followed my option 1. And lead that into option 2. Yep, call me racist.
Prep people. Prep. Prep people.
You have to understand human behavior.
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sportage
Lifer
THis thread is soooo funny.
I know a lot of so called anti government, anti welfare, social fiscal conservatives.
And I can tell you... they are "THE FIRST" to come a runnin with both hands wide open for those government $$$'s when the going gets tough.
They are against abortion, until their little 14 year old gets PG by the boy next door.
Then... they want that abortion. Little Sally cannot have her future jeopardized by the burden of a baby at the age of 14. And what would the neighbors say?
Or that anti government, social conservative family that suddenly finds their kid has a handicap. They have no problem seeking every handout dollar from that hated government, to help raise their handicapped child. All through adulthood by taking government housing assistance and government employment assistance handout available for that handicapped child.
WHen it comes to government welfare and free money, there is no such thing as a social fiscal conservative. Not when some of that free money can be directed their way.
Who is fooling who?
I know a lot of so called anti government, anti welfare, social fiscal conservatives.
And I can tell you... they are "THE FIRST" to come a runnin with both hands wide open for those government $$$'s when the going gets tough.
They are against abortion, until their little 14 year old gets PG by the boy next door.
Then... they want that abortion. Little Sally cannot have her future jeopardized by the burden of a baby at the age of 14. And what would the neighbors say?
Or that anti government, social conservative family that suddenly finds their kid has a handicap. They have no problem seeking every handout dollar from that hated government, to help raise their handicapped child. All through adulthood by taking government housing assistance and government employment assistance handout available for that handicapped child.
WHen it comes to government welfare and free money, there is no such thing as a social fiscal conservative. Not when some of that free money can be directed their way.
Who is fooling who?
ProfJohn
Lifer
That is not fiscal conservatism. That is extreme libertarianism.
Fiscal conservatives want small government and less spending and taxes. But they don't want all of our safety net programs taken apart nor do they want to throw grandma to the wolves.
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