Why not? Why souldn't one be ashamed for demanding that other people sacrafice themselves (TOTAL sacrafice, mind you) for your opnion? You support the soldiers though, I'm sure. But then again, if you had one of big, magnetic yellow ribbons slapped on your Dodge then I think you've done more than enough for your country...
Why not? Why souldn't one be ashamed for demanding that other people sacrafice themselves (TOTAL sacrafice, mind you) for your opnion? You support the soldiers though, I'm sure. But then again, if you had one of big, magnetic yellow ribbons slapped on your Dodge then I think you've done more than enough for your country...
Ah, but he is not joking. It's sad really.... But good post Shortass
Infohawk, you can try to hide behind a strawman defense, but you're only deluding yourself. Me giving accurate examples of your line of thinking just shows how stupid your argument is, and pointing out your illogic is not a strawman. The funny part is you're always the first to try and pull out logical fallacies while using them yourself (ad hominem, among others).
Your point is, if I'm going to berate others for not supporting something, step up. OK... but how do you conclude there's only one way to step up? You still haven't shown me how joining the Army is the only way I can legitimately argue in support of a policy or group. The fact is you can't because there's no logic, it's purely your own warped opinion. I'm just glad I don't go around like you and pretend EVERY person has to drop EVERYTHING in their life and do ONE EXACT thing (of my picking) to show support of something. It's a completely unreasonable position, but you have proven yourself incredibly unreasonable too many times to mention, so sadly it's completely in character for you.
BTW, I said your name-calling doesn't mean d!ck to me, not the issue at hand... so you should probably quit stroking youself, or at least do it in private.
Uh... the short answer is no. That's not at all what I was implying. I'm glad to set the record straight for you.
Haha! Legitimately argue?! What the heck are you talking about? Info is criticizing the fact that "warhawks" won't sacrafice anything for their opinions but are more than willing to accept the COMPLETE sacrafice of others for it. But here you're trying to suggest that driving your Audi TT to your cushy little job 5 days a week from 9 to 5 is somehow comperable, ADMIRABLE even... wtf?! Oh WOW cw, way to hit one out of the park... God bless you and yor noble effort <
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Haha! Legitimately argue?! What the heck are you talking about? Info is criticizing the fact that "warhawks" won't sacrafice anything for their opinions but are more than willing to accept the COMPLETE sacrafice of others for it. But here you're trying to suggest that driving your Audi TT to your cushy little job 5 days a week from 9 to 5 is somehow comperable, ADMIRABLE even... wtf?! Oh WOW cw, way to hit one out of the park... God bless you and yor noble effort <
Well I get the feeling you don't have a clue. You don't know jacksh!t about me, what I do, how or what I sacrifice, and how I support. Your arrogance is only preceded by your ignorance. If you can give me a real, specific example of a person and show me your claim, then I'll judge that in context. Otherwise, you're just making a blanket statement and talking out your @ss. I suggest starting over by not making up a weird little fantasy about me and my Audi (lol), and talking about something you actually know about. Problem is, if you did that you'd probably have zero to say...
Ooooh I bet yer little toes are curling you're so miffed, lol. Unless you're sitting at a desk in a tent in Baghdad, Kirkut, BIA, or somwhere in the Sunni Triangle, then I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that you're a perfect example of what Info in his OP is criticizing. You can froth at the mouth all you want but you know I'm right You don't do a damn thing to put you money where your mouth is, no matter which way you slice.
You don't do a damn thing to put you money where your mouth is, no matter which way you slice.
Kerouactivist
Diamond Member
- Jul 12, 2001
- 4,665
- 0
- 76
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Ooooh I bet yer little toes are curling you're so miffed, lol. Unless you're sitting at a desk in a tent in Baghdad, Kirkut, BIA, or somwhere in the Sunni Triangle, then I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that you're a perfect example of what Info in his OP is criticizing. You can froth at the mouth all you want but you know I'm right
Another excellent argument... and this time, you even know that I know you're right :roll:
Give me a break... can anyone explain to me why I or anyone else MUST join the Army and fight to be able to support the troops and policies? Or is it all "put your money where your mouthy is" platitudes? I'm curling my toes and frothing at the mouth, so make it quick, eh?
How many of you liberal tools are posting from a Greenpeace ship in the middle of the ocean?
Yeah, I didn't think so. Take your holier than thou attitudes and cram them back in your ass, if there's enough room with your heads already there.
Yeah, I didn't think so. Take your holier than thou attitudes and cram them back in your ass, if there's enough room with your heads already there.
Hehe, yeah the "curling the toes" part got a chuckle out of me too.
Honestly, though, what can you possibly claim to sacrifice towards the fulfillment of your political/military desires? I presume you WANT us to be doing everything we're doing over there, assuming that's the case, how are you participating in it's fruition? I *suspect* that you're not. BUT!! BUT BUT! You're absolutely correct in that I can't "You don't know jacksh!t about me, what I do, how or what I sacrifice, and how I support. " Call it
a hunch....
Honestly, though, what can you possibly claim to sacrifice towards the fulfillment of your political/military desires? I presume you WANT us to be doing everything we're doing over there, assuming that's the case, how are you participating in it's fruition? I *suspect* that you're not. BUT!! BUT BUT! You're absolutely correct in that I can't "You don't know jacksh!t about me, what I do, how or what I sacrifice, and how I support. " Call it
a hunch....
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Hehe, yeah the "curling the toes" part got a chuckle out of me too.
Honestly, though, what can you possibly claim to sacrifice towards the fulfillment of your political/military desires? I presume you WANT us to be doing everything we're doing over there, assuming that's the case, how are you participating in it's fruition? I *suspect* that you're not. BUT!! BUT BUT! You're absolutely correct in that I can't "You don't know jacksh!t about me, what I do, how or what I sacrifice, and how I support. " Call it a hunch....
OK, we'll call it a hunch, but a hunch is not an argument. I already know where you stand, I want to know why you think there is only one correct way to show support for somebody or something.
This isn't about me, and there's no way I'm going to discuss my personal situation, actions, and committments here with you as if I'm on trial or something. I totally comfortable with myself and what I do in relation to my convictions, and I could care less if you think my only sacrifice in my pretty little life is typing on a keyboard. You're a name on my computer screen... you and your apprasial of me do not matter.
But I'm wondering why people would believe that joining a group is the only proper way to support the group. You obviously can't articulate an argument on this, so maybe someone will come to your rescue.
CW, I?ve already "articulated" the argument three times for you; you just keep rejecting it by asking "I want to know why you think there is only one correct way to show support for somebody or something.? Now as to WHY I?ve gone ahead and spelled out "WARHAWKS SHOULD BACK THEIR SH1T UP WITH SOMETHING MORE THAN HARSH LANGUAGE FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEIR AGENDA" on what is now FOUR different occasions for you; sometimes when a person paints themselves into a corner you've got help them out of it. Illustrating your hypocrisy is my way of doing that.
Exactly! In addition, you support AT don't you? Why don't you give a big fat paypal contribution to Anand? You drive a car? Hell, since you support the gas companies, why don't you go to work on an oil rig in Alaska for free? The list can go on and on. Let's see, you supported Kerry for Pres didn't you? Why don't you join the military, go to war and then come back and call your fellow soldiers baby killers and war criminals? Sound silly? It's your logic; not ours.
It's always "fun" to see not just a noob, but a liberal noob, make an a$$ of themselves.
Oh and for the record, I supported Bush and voted for him. However, I am a "bit" past the age of military service qualification. And last, I have sons and other family members who proudly served in various arms of the military. They did their part; have you? In any way, shape or form? You don't have to join the military to support your nation you know. What are your plans?
Once again you've demostrated WHAT you think (for about the fourth time), but still haven't explained WHY you think that.
Once again you have failed to demostrate my hypocrisy because you do not know anything about me or how I back up my position. You're just guessing and making bogus assumptions in an effort to use me as an example.
By the way, I also agree people should -in general- back up their "sh1t" with more than just harsh language. People should show a higher level of committment and live their convictions. I'm just having a hard time understanding why people like you think there is only ONE way to do this, and it entails joining the group which he/she supports.
Your tactic appears to be a facist-like attempt to unreasonably berate people into silence for holding ideas you disagree with. Now if I was screaming at everyone to join the Army, while not doing so myself, I'd say you'd have a good point. But taking my mere support of our military's efforts and extrapolating this into me not joining the Army as bad or hypocritical is a leap of logic that fails any test of common sense.
Once again you have failed to demostrate my hypocrisy because you do not know anything about me or how I back up my position. You're just guessing and making bogus assumptions in an effort to use me as an example.
By the way, I also agree people should -in general- back up their "sh1t" with more than just harsh language. People should show a higher level of committment and live their convictions. I'm just having a hard time understanding why people like you think there is only ONE way to do this, and it entails joining the group which he/she supports.
Your tactic appears to be a facist-like attempt to unreasonably berate people into silence for holding ideas you disagree with. Now if I was screaming at everyone to join the Army, while not doing so myself, I'd say you'd have a good point. But taking my mere support of our military's efforts and extrapolating this into me not joining the Army as bad or hypocritical is a leap of logic that fails any test of common sense.
I think you've already "illustrated" your own idiocy. Acting like a feeding dog with a liberal agenda is exactly why the Dems are losing ground in elections and why you are making an a$$ of yourself in this argument. You like to label people as warhawks because they support Bush. I guarantee if you talk to anyone in the military that has seen war up close and personal, they will tell you they DO NOT "support" war. They hate it and don't want to go through it again if they can avoid it. It is something YOU will never understand due to your limited understanding of ANYTHING outside of your agenda. However, you will see a great many of these same people in the military have voted for and supported Bush. Support Bush? You bet! Do I like war? No. If you see that as a conflict of interest, that's your problem; not mine. Am I joining the military? Sorry to dissappoint you but I'm a little to gray for that.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Hey look, another worthless thread on this "topic". Well, if you want to call me a chickenhawk then so be it. You chickendoves don't bother me - but your so-called logic does but I will refrain from browbeating you since others have done a good job of pointing out the twisted nature of your "logic".
CsG
CsG
While I'm not a big Bush defender (there have been much better presidents, and there have been much worse- he's about a 5/10), I did and still do support the invasion of Iraq. However, I am not a member of the military. Personally, in Feb. of '03 I spent a long time talking to a friend of mine who was headed out to Kuwait and who spent a total of 18mos in Iraq before coming home. I told him I was very seriously thinking about signing up, I told my then fiancee that I was thinking about signing up, I told my parents, I talked to recruiters, etc. But it was really my discussions with friends that were in the military, where they persuaded me to do what I thought was best for me, and not to force myself into a situation because of some ideal I held. This is coming from military people mind you- they don't want a bunch of guys who are overly preoccupied with back home joining up- they want lifers. So for me the decision was to finish college, get a degree and join a defense company. That is exactly what I have done, and I can say that I am able to support my ideals everyday without being in Iraq. While I in no way place my level of sacrifice at the same level of those in the military, I do believe I did what is best for me, and I now spend everyday doing my best to help the military in future conflicts.
They didn't vore for Bush because they supported the war. They voted for Bush because they're afraid of homosexuals.
Kerouactivist
Diamond Member
- Jul 12, 2001
- 4,665
- 0
- 76
Starbuck1975
Lifer
- Jan 6, 2005
- 14,698
- 1,909
- 126
The question posed in the OP is far too simplistic, as it doesn't take into account the myriad of opinions, attitudes or beliefs that would cause someone to vote for a particular political candidate.
The term "chickenhawk" is simply a partisan jab at an opposing political ideology. The majority of who you would label "chickenhawks" are well over the age demographic you are targeting. Most "chickenhawks" are relics of the Cold War...locked into a worldview of America having to demonstrate its military might through use of force, yet unwilling to do the dirty work themselves, or expose their children to the hazards of deploying our military. While this may be the defining characteristic of some powerful Republicans today, this sort of mentality is one that has identified the powerful and ruling class of not only our society but other societies as well...and not exclusive to any one particular political ideology.
As for the question you posed, the flip side to that coin is for all those in this forum so disgusted with our "illegal" war in Iraq, what is preventing you from flying to the Washington D.C. or even Iraq to protest...just as you call on those in support of this war to take up arms for their country, is it not your duty to protest this "illegal" war if you are so opposed to it.
Many of you will not take your protest beyond perhaps this forum, a few rallies that are convenient for you to attend and in your voting patterns...but across the board, most Americans are too comfortable within the comfortable confines of their materialistic lives to put their money where their mouths are, and this applies to those for and against the war in Iraq.
The term "chickenhawk" is simply a partisan jab at an opposing political ideology. The majority of who you would label "chickenhawks" are well over the age demographic you are targeting. Most "chickenhawks" are relics of the Cold War...locked into a worldview of America having to demonstrate its military might through use of force, yet unwilling to do the dirty work themselves, or expose their children to the hazards of deploying our military. While this may be the defining characteristic of some powerful Republicans today, this sort of mentality is one that has identified the powerful and ruling class of not only our society but other societies as well...and not exclusive to any one particular political ideology.
As for the question you posed, the flip side to that coin is for all those in this forum so disgusted with our "illegal" war in Iraq, what is preventing you from flying to the Washington D.C. or even Iraq to protest...just as you call on those in support of this war to take up arms for their country, is it not your duty to protest this "illegal" war if you are so opposed to it.
Many of you will not take your protest beyond perhaps this forum, a few rallies that are convenient for you to attend and in your voting patterns...but across the board, most Americans are too comfortable within the comfortable confines of their materialistic lives to put their money where their mouths are, and this applies to those for and against the war in Iraq.
By "powerful republicans" you wouldn't by any chance be refering to the current leadership that pushed for the war in Iraq, would you?? The same bunch of guys who, when it was their turn to serve, did everything in their power to stay out of Vietnam.
They are a bunch of chickensh*ts, and when they are willing to send others to do what they wouldn't, then they are also chickenhawks.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
- Jan 6, 2005
- 14,698
- 1,909
- 126
When have the affluent or powerful ever gone to war themselves or sent their children to war? I didn't limit my comments to the current Administration or those currently in power because they are not the first, nor will they be the last.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 21K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter