Question for Christians....
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if you don't believe in jesus christ you're a close-minded bigot....no wait... or is that if you do believe in jesus christ...
anyways, he's at the unemployment office in downtown Boston, looking for some work.
anyways, he's at the unemployment office in downtown Boston, looking for some work.
His position is utterly unimportant.
He just gave a nice example of how to live life in a good way, that's what is important.
compare him with nelson mandela, marten luther king, ghandi, and bill clinton.
Aelus
He just gave a nice example of how to live life in a good way, that's what is important.
compare him with nelson mandela, marten luther king, ghandi, and bill clinton.
Aelus
He's technically everywhere, since he's omnipresent?
but the Bible states he's sitting at by the right hand of God, in heaven, i think.
someone else clarify this please.
boy I gotta start reading my Bible more.... all these things that I forgot.
but the Bible states he's sitting at by the right hand of God, in heaven, i think.
someone else clarify this please.
boy I gotta start reading my Bible more.... all these things that I forgot.
He is everywhere, omnipresent, as was before stated.
But He is also in heaven, sitting at the right hand of God.
psteng19, you were right.
--Sarah
But He is also in heaven, sitting at the right hand of God.
psteng19, you were right.
--Sarah
"Right Hand of God" is, at least from a materialistic perspective, imagery and metaphor. It means that the human Jesus of Nazareth is at the central authority of the Universe because he is the One through whom the grace and authority of God flow.
If you are well-versed in the Bible and Historical Theology, then you will understand that Jesus of Nazareth is, by Christian thought, a man who came into existence at a particular point and time. But he is a man in whom "the fullness of THE DEITY dwells in bodily form (Colossians 2:8-9)." In other words, God miraculously conceived a man in whom God's own fullness, or "Logos" (mind, reason, word- see John 1:1) would dwell so that we could understand God, who in his essence is an infinite spirit that we could never know by purely human observation or reason.
So, God shows himself to us in human form, in a way we can comprehend. (see John 1:14-18, John 14:1-9). If you want to understand what God is like, look at Jesus. The simplicity of what Jesus shows us about God far transcends any theological or philosophical attempt to explain Him. When you see and understand Jesus, you see and understand God with all of the power and simplicity and unfettered genius of a child. Consider this exchange between Jesus and Philip, one of his disciples:
<< Philip said, "Show us the Father, and it will be enough for us."
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me Philip, even after I have been among you for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" >>
From a materialistic space-time perspective, Jesus is currently non-local.
If you are well-versed in the Bible and Historical Theology, then you will understand that Jesus of Nazareth is, by Christian thought, a man who came into existence at a particular point and time. But he is a man in whom "the fullness of THE DEITY dwells in bodily form (Colossians 2:8-9)." In other words, God miraculously conceived a man in whom God's own fullness, or "Logos" (mind, reason, word- see John 1:1) would dwell so that we could understand God, who in his essence is an infinite spirit that we could never know by purely human observation or reason.
So, God shows himself to us in human form, in a way we can comprehend. (see John 1:14-18, John 14:1-9). If you want to understand what God is like, look at Jesus. The simplicity of what Jesus shows us about God far transcends any theological or philosophical attempt to explain Him. When you see and understand Jesus, you see and understand God with all of the power and simplicity and unfettered genius of a child. Consider this exchange between Jesus and Philip, one of his disciples:
<< Philip said, "Show us the Father, and it will be enough for us."
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me Philip, even after I have been among you for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" >>
From a materialistic space-time perspective, Jesus is currently non-local.
You guys are so off............don't you remember the bible says he was a carpenter...................well, he still is! I worked on the same job as him down in TX several years ago. He was kinda' short and spoke Spanish. He still goes by Jesus as a first name, but has also taken a Mexican sounding second name according to the checks I passed out weekly.........
<< He is everywhere, omnipresent, as was before stated.
But He is also in heaven, sitting at the right hand of God.
psteng19, you were right.
--Sarah >>
I find this weird...
ok... in the bible, it states that sin can only be cleaned by death... death does not mean physical death but a spirtual death... when we die... we get judged by God... and if we have sin... we go to hell...
now...take that ...and put it on Jesus'.... he suppose to have all our sins... (all believers) but how can a person... with so much sin... be in heaven? in the right hand of GOD??? theres like no way he can be heaven... he bares our sins and the only way that our sins can be forgiven is a spritual death... Jesus' spritual death...
am i making sense?? or am i really missing anything here?
The sacrifice that Jesus made (He sacrificed Himself) was not to "take" our sins, but rather to atone for our sins. In the Old Testament in the Old Covenant (read deal) that God made with Moses and the Israelites, in order to make-up for sins, the Jews would sacrifice a lamb or other animal. Now, God sent Jesus as the Savior, and He was sacrificed. Since Jesus is God in flesh and is perfect, He is able to atone for all of humanities sins from that point to the end of time. The only catch is that you have to believe He did this and accept Him as your savior. This is why Jesus is often called the lamb of God.
So, to summarize, Jesus didn't literally take our sins, he just vouched for us. He paid our debt. It would be like if you vouched for a buddy on a gambling debt and he skipped town, then you would pay it for him.
Ryan
So, to summarize, Jesus didn't literally take our sins, he just vouched for us. He paid our debt. It would be like if you vouched for a buddy on a gambling debt and he skipped town, then you would pay it for him.
Ryan
Racerofdeath...
You have half of the equation correct. Sin does require a death (spiritual, aka separation from God). Yes Jesus did bear our sins (and all the sins of the world). He died and paid the penalty and took all those sins upon himself.
The half your missing is the fact that he ROSE from the dead. This means that sin was unable to keep its reign over him. Because Jesus was the perfect, (flawless, sinless) sacrifice, death/sin had no hold over Him. His resurrection is the evidence of this. His victory over sin is what allows us to be free from it to, if we choose to believe and confess that we need Jesus to free us from sin.
You have half of the equation correct. Sin does require a death (spiritual, aka separation from God). Yes Jesus did bear our sins (and all the sins of the world). He died and paid the penalty and took all those sins upon himself.
The half your missing is the fact that he ROSE from the dead. This means that sin was unable to keep its reign over him. Because Jesus was the perfect, (flawless, sinless) sacrifice, death/sin had no hold over Him. His resurrection is the evidence of this. His victory over sin is what allows us to be free from it to, if we choose to believe and confess that we need Jesus to free us from sin.
A friend of mine runs Carm.org and he said the same as above... Jesus is separate and part of and is God. So he's everywhere, and on God's right hand (err... I meant *AT* God's right hand..)
BUT
If you believe in the trinity, why would God be afraid of what he knew was coming. While Jesus was in the garden waiting for the Romans, he had doubts/fears (depending on who you talk to and who is interpreting the Bible). He knew he was going to die at the hands of the Romans. His apostles knew (and wrote about it). But why would GOD be afraid of some puny Roman soldiers?
BUT
If you believe in the trinity, why would God be afraid of what he knew was coming. While Jesus was in the garden waiting for the Romans, he had doubts/fears (depending on who you talk to and who is interpreting the Bible). He knew he was going to die at the hands of the Romans. His apostles knew (and wrote about it). But why would GOD be afraid of some puny Roman soldiers?
DurocShark,
Jesus was afraid because he knew what was coming, a torturous beating and the one of the most cruel deaths possible. You have to understand that while Jesus was the Son of God and could have easily destroyed the Roman soldiers, he was also very much human. He was full of human emotions like love, anger, and FEAR. He knew that he would have to go through the process of being beaten, tortured, humiliated, and hung on a cross. I think that knowledge justifies his worries.
Jesus was afraid because he knew what was coming, a torturous beating and the one of the most cruel deaths possible. You have to understand that while Jesus was the Son of God and could have easily destroyed the Roman soldiers, he was also very much human. He was full of human emotions like love, anger, and FEAR. He knew that he would have to go through the process of being beaten, tortured, humiliated, and hung on a cross. I think that knowledge justifies his worries.
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Everything fine and holy in my life I owe to Jesus. I give Him all the credit. Now, Jesus offers us credit back.
Bah! He existed, and was one of the greatest messengers of God that was ever sent to the human race. He is in heaven, and on the day of judgement shall be among the Righteous Prophet's who brought God's word to man. May God bless him, his mother, his disciples, and his ancesterol lineage i.e. Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob etc...
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