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JulesMaximus
No Lifer
On that we can agree. :beer:
I couldn't see how I would ever become an atheist just as I am not sure how I could turn to a certain religion. My families are very religious, and I am confirmed at a Protestant church, yet I will not become devout to a god because I can not convince myself that I could fully believe in one at this point in my life. To be perfectly honest, I really wish I was religious, but as I said, I would not want to "fake" it, and pretend to believe in a god when I know that I do not.
I also hate zealous Atheists or Zealous members of religions. If you want to choose a religion, then do so, but let others find their own place in their lives.
RapidSnail
Diamond Member
Maybe if your idealistic view of "truth" is anything reducible to distinct chemical processes and mathematical equations, you would be right. However, any individual who places his trust in the existence of a theistic creature does so through faith and not through empirical evidence. (Although empirical evidence can lead a person to question divinity, it cannot prove so.)
I myself feel that there is more to "truth" then material reality: that man is more than a process driven by environmental reaction. History itself has shown that all civilizations of people around the earth have been affected by the question of divinity, and that these civilizations have been characterized by diverse levels of intelligence. In light of this observation, I have come to the conclusion that any such question which has had profound affect on millions of people throughout history should not be merely tossed aside and forgotten, even more so if science cannot negate it. So many people have had a passionate belief in some supernatural force that I wonder if really there is something inside us that draws us to question Its existence; and not just ignorance or lack of information.
My life, lasting not much longer than 3/4 of a century, is far too short for me to wait for science to unearth all of the answers to life's questions. Am I really willing to lay a potential eternal existence in the hands of men, who like all instruments of measure, have some sort of bias or erring behavior? This question should not be discarded on the basis of majority, and I believe that each individual should, at some point or another, dwell on this thought and come to a conclusion separate from the opinions of others.
As for me, I've made my choice to believe [faith] in the existence of God, more specifically, the God of the Bible. And from what I've experience, whether it be the product of placebo or not, the emptiness that has been filled from the moment I placed trust in God is absolutely priceless. Knowing that there is always Someone who cares for me during times of distress and times of plenty, Someone who cares regardless of circumstance, is something I would never trade away. And should I die, and there be no God, I lose nothing; but should He be real, I will gain everything. You can call Pascal's Wager if you like, but I am that confident.
I have a natural inclination that there is value in the journey of moving from a "hard" life to a "perfect" life. I don't really know why, but to me it seems that there is value in the struggle and that going through that and coming out perfect would be better than to have been created perfect in the first place.
Just my $.02
Just my $.02
RapidSnail
Diamond Member
If you really do care, the simple answer is that God has given man freedom of choice, and all of the issues of the world have originated from that single moment in the history of man when sin was introduced.
Oooh you guys are pretty ferocious! Well don't bother cussing with me, because it doesn't help any argument or is even productive.
If everyone has their own tests and circumstances, you also have a certain level to reach and a destination at the end. Maybe for those who greater troubles, life for them later on is substantially better, or they must ultimately achieve a lot less to get to a certain location. Not everyone' start and end is the same - not everyone's requirements are the same.
What I present is pure speculation - we are not sure ultimately. But the point to note, is this is no different than your speculation that "there is no purpose for A & B" ie: "There is no purpose to do that, unless God is really sick". You yourself don't know either so you have to engage in speculation as well. We can speculate all day but that does not mean we know the answer.
And FWIW - it doesn't have to be something so hard and strong to deal with. It could be something as stupid as food allergies, to many more serious issues: a family history of cancer, heart disease, even alcoholism. The point is that we all have our own hurdles to deal with, and coming with that we will have our own judgements.
In case you have failed to read any of the key Abrahamic religious texts, quite simply, the depiction of god by those three isn't exactly a "pleasant" being.
There is no contradiction which they have to answer to/correct that you are calling upon them for; their god isn't necessarily "good", but you seem to anticipate it that way.
There is no contradiction which they have to answer to/correct that you are calling upon them for; their god isn't necessarily "good", but you seem to anticipate it that way.
RapidSnail
Diamond Member
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