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Question about the Rock Band Metallica songs from ....Justice

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Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
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Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
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What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
 
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
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Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
Click to expand...

What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
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Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
 
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
Click to expand...

Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
Click to expand...

What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
Click to expand...

Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
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One
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
Click to expand...

Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
Click to expand...

What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
Click to expand...

Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
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One
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One never really creamed my Twinkie
 
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
Click to expand...

Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
Click to expand...

What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
Click to expand...

Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
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I'll do the work, just wanted the names. Glad you didn't say 'One' /wags finger at Anubis.

KT
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
the wiki for the album mentions what he is talkiing about , that you can barely hear the bass in the cd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....ustice_for_All_(album)

And, in one of the more famous of Hetfield and Ulrich's controversies with bassist Jason Newsted, the album's production almost completely lacks identifiable bass in most songs.[3] This has been attributed to various reasons, such as Newsted's doubling of Hetfield's guitar parts,[5] his absence from the mixing sessions (where he might have asserted his opinion) and the lingering issue of his "newness" within the band following the tragic death of Cliff Burton in September 1986. As said by the band in their magazine SO WHAT!, they wish that they could re-mix the entire album because the drums and guitar overpower the bass completely.
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i never really noticed because before playing bass in rock band 2, i never paid much attention to individual instruments in songs
now after playing rock band 2 for the last 5 days in a row, i keep hearing the bass lines in all the songs on the radio
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This. Since playing Rock Band, I notice a lot more in songs when listening to my music collection, such as bass lines or the drums. Has helped me enjoy my music a lot more too. 🙂 Just something else to please me ears since I already invest so much time just enjoying music.

But yeah, songs in Rock Band will tend to have specific music portions amped up a bit for playing. When you play guitar or drums, the music is basically normal unless the guitar is less important in that song and then it gets amped up so you can play easier. When playing the bass, any song basically gets the bass lines amped up insane, and is kind of weird to hear in some songs where the bass isn't that well defined in the regular master.
I think it's just a testament to how well Harmonix handles the audio mixing for songs. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
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I'll do the work, just wanted the names. Glad you didn't say 'One' /wags finger at Anubis.

KT
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Ok, the title track is pretty good, aside from the laughable 'chorus'. I think I liked Blackened when this album first came out, but it did not hold up well in my opinion. I got to the 6 minute mark of To Live is to Die before I nodded off. I listened to Dyer's Eve and that's a pretty decent track. If I could buy the single of that I would. Eye of the Beholder was ok as well. Went through everything else and couldn't find anything good, in fact some of them are funny.

Ah well, I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one.

KT
 
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: dNor
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I know this is OT, but geez Four Horsemen, Phantom Lord, and Motorbreath are all way better than anything on Justice. I mean it's not even close.

KT
Click to expand...

Seek and Destroy and Four Horsemen are the only real standouts on Kill for me, although it's still a strong album.
Click to expand...

What are the standouts from Justice? I haven't listened to it in eons, so I'd like to Youtube what you think are the great tunes on there.

KT
Click to expand...

Blackened, the title track, and To Live is to Die are my favorites. At work so I can't really Youtube it up.
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The intro to Blackened is one of the best rock intros ever, IMO. As an aside, the intro is played backwards on the album. You can search for it on youtube to hear it played forwards. Both versions sound pretty good.
 
Harmonix got the rights to the masters, I assume it's Jason Newsted that you're hearing for the first time there. With the master tapes, they have all the stems, and they're remixing the songs for the game. There would be no reason for them to have a studio guy re-record the bass part and throw it in there (although that's totally cool in Sharon Osbourne's world).

As for why Metallica doesn't do a remix of the album, maybe they're lazy, maybe it's 20 years in the past and they don't really care, or maybe there's not enough in it for them to bother rehashing that. Remixing (not to be confused with remastering) is kind of a big deal anyways, the final mix of an album generally has a lot of input from the band and is what constitutes the "sound" of an album. For better or for worse, it's what they were thinking creatively/artistically/stylistically at the time. Going back and changing the mix is kind of like going back and screwing around with an author's books or an artist's paintings 20 years after the fact, to "make it a little better." I think it's generally a bad idea. See Lucas, George.
 
Originally posted by: dNor

Hate's pretty strong there. I'd tie it with Kill Em All for lowest out of their first four but certainly not bad.
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Kill Em All tied for lowest? Wow, I'd rate that thier best album followed by lightning then justice then master then a whole bunch of sell out crap.
 
...And Justice for All
Blackened

Both have been modified to have audible bass. Blackened's bass is a little too high IMO but it really lets you hear Jason's work

Edit: This is the original bass, not added in. Read the video description for more info.
 
Hmm.. Interesting.

It's like how the sound quality of their latest album is much better in Guitar Hero or whatever than on the studio release.
 
Originally posted by: Oil
...And Justice for All
Blackened

Both have been modified to have audible bass. Blackened's bass is a little too high IMO but it really lets you hear Jason's work

Edit: This is the original bass, not added in. Read the video description for more info.
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Yeah, that highlights another reason they probably don't bother remixing it, Jason was just doubling James' parts in a lot of cases there, not very interesting IMO. Maybe that had something to do with James and Lars having the "Jason - bass guitar" slider turned down to 0 on the mixing board. Although I guess they regret not having much bottom end to balance it out in retrospect.

 
Here's some good info about what they do for Rock Band songs:

http://www.rockband.com/zine/rock_bands_sonic_secrets


It's cool that this game is getting people to listen to music differently too. Playing music changes the way you listen to music, I guess a game can do it as well. I'm a total geek when it comes to listening to different instrumental parts on headphones, listening for little bits in there that you never heard before, finding stems like the James Jamerson classic Motown bass lines or Sgt Peppers parts that leaked online, etc etc. Mastering hypercompression ruins a lot of that, it pisses me off to the extreme.
 
w0w, that article totally answers the OP
You can catch a lot of these variations when playing songs in Rock Band; just pick a song you've loved for years and key into the individual sections. As for me, I came out with a newfound appreciation of the bass in Metallica's "..And Justice for All." Who even knew there was any?
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