question about the reliability of cars

blueghost75

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ok, here is the deal. I am going to be getting a used car for about $8,000. I already have a truck, but I am going to sell it. I'm tired of driving it (i'm 16). I will probably be getting a nissan maxima. I have been looking at some BMW's also. What I want to know is how reliable are BMW's when they have been driven past 100,000 miles? I don't want an opinion, I want to know where I can find out. FOr example, is there a place where you can get statistics on the track records for a particular car? Thats what I really want.
 

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For $8,000, the only BMW's you are going to be getting into are VERY VERY early 90's or late 80's. I will warn you that the late 80's and early 90's BMW had some of THE worse crash ratings of any car in their size class.

Also, I have heard from several BMW owners that age is far more of a factor in reliability than milage.
 

blueghost75

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Take note that I am picking BMW more for the name. I go to a private school, and a lot of people get hand-me-down luxury cars from their parents to drive. You don't fit in so much if you drive a domestic car (that is not an SUV). Most of the people that do not drive old luxury cars drive some sort of an SUV. I personally like the styling of european cars
 

blueghost75

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a beamer with a bad crash test rating?? I thought BMW's and mercedes were supposed to be safe?
 

technogeeky

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Well, they are awsome now *because* of then.

Consumer Reports says:

BMW 3-Series have been consistently decent as used vechiles sine 1993.

But that's a 14 thousand dollar used 1994 (from their results)

I would ween away from BMW cars that old.
 

psteng19

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is fitting in more important that surviving a crash?

get a newer Maxima.
i think you can a mid-late 90's generation Maxima (190 hp) for 8 G's :D

Nisasn ~ Driven
 

geno

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blueghost - BMW was a MUCH different company now then they were over a decade ago. They were very unrefined in comparison, in some cases noisy, and they're not that pleasant of a car (we're talking the late 80's, 90) unless you find one in great shape (tough).
 

RossMAN

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Even though it's not as upscale as a BMW I would consider a late 90's Acura, very reliable, safe, good performance and still has that snob appeal.
 

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An early 90's Audi 90's series w/ the V6 should fit right into your budget. You should be able to get one with relatively low miles > 100,000. Those cars are good for 250,000 +.

I have an Aunt and Uncle that can vouch for the saftey, and reliability of the 90 series. Those cars saved their lives twice.
 

atom

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..an 8k BMW is a bad idea. You're gonna be looking at cars at least a decade old.

If you don't fit in school because you don't drive a luxury car, that's pretty damn shallow of people. You'll probably regret buying such an old car if you plan on keeping it for a while when problems arise since BMW's are not exactly the cheapest cars to service.

In high school I drove a car older than I was...............
 

blueghost75

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i didn't know that the 80-early 90s BMW's were unsafe. I guess scratch that idea then. I guess I could change my question to, what is the best car that I could get for $8000, that would require the least amount of repairs for some time....

 

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1992 BMW 325 i
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Last odometer reading: 54
Reported on 10/21/1991

Significant Event Analysis No additional events found
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VIN: WBACB4316NFF79356
Yr/Make/Model: 1992 BMW 325 i
Body: 4D Sedan Mid-size car
Engine: 2.5L L6 SFI 24V DOHC
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Driveline: Rear-wheel drive
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Country Mfg.: Germany


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ultravox

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Audi...a clean 90 is an exellent. I've got a 1990 90 Quattro 20v with 274k on it and it purrs like a kitten! Try to find one with leather interior..they age better than cloth seats and they still smell like they did when new. They also depreciate a lot the first 3-5 yrs so they can be had less.
Around here in Quebec, you see a lot of old Audi's and Mercedes but a noticeble lack of old BMWs.There are still tons of those old 400s and 500s on the road, most in very good shape.
 

RossMAN

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vi_edit - I heard that older Audi's have horrible reliability and electricity problems, did this plague mostly 80's models?
 

blueghost75

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oh, and you would still fit in if you had a crappy car. The people at my school are actually really, really nice, beleive it or not. In fact, I was interested in a BMW because of the impression that I wanted to leave. Not so much to just fit in. I happen to like european cars, so I wanted to drive one. Of course, I won't be driving an older BMW now, because from what you people have said, that would not be sensible.
 

blueghost75

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what about mercedes anyone?

also, thanks for the links to autotrader, I have been looking at cars there all evening, so I have probably already looked at those...:)
 

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Ross, from the research that I've done, the early to mid 80's had some pretty nasty electrical problems...as well as the redheaded media fsckup with the "sticking accelerator" that was a hoax.

Several of my relatives have owned Audi's and have had nothing but praise for them, and most of the Audi owners that I have spoke with have been very happy with their cars. The early 90's Audi's have shown to be pretty reliable from the sites that I've looked at.

The cars will run you more for maintance and wear and tear than a domestic, but as a tradeoff you get a car that drives nearly like new for 200,000 + miles.

As usual though, the people who have the lemons are the most outspoken and the most remembered.
 

RossMAN

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because from what you people have said, that would not be sensible.

and I suppose trying to impress your fellow classmates with a car is the sensible thing to do?
 

Dark4ng3l

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Get a nissan, they last forever if you take good care of them(dont drive like a crazy mofo, dont crash into anything and maintain the car reasonably well)
 

blueghost75

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ross - yes, if it is a relible car, then yes, it also holds the value of "impressing" my classmates since it also looks good. However, since it is not so reliable/safe then, I don't really care about "impressing" my classmates so much. This is not so much about impressing my classmates, but more of a statement of my style. If I wanted to impress, I would have to spend a lot more money....
 

blueghost75

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ross - yes, if it is a relible car, then yes, it also holds the value of "impressing" my classmates since it also looks good. However, since it is not so reliable/safe then, I don't really care about "impressing" my classmates so much. This is not so much about impressing my classmates, but more of a statement of my style. If I wanted to impress, I would have to spend a lot more money....
 

RossMAN

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Well best of luck to you in your car search I'd say look for an Audi or Acura. If you can't find either and you want the best bang for your buck in terms of reliability you're not going to like this but get a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord.