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Pelu

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hey, how does tax work in us... i mean at corporate level...

If i have lets say 100,000,000 bucks, I hear federal tax is 35%

that means that i take away from the 100M the 35% and from that number then State tax snatch some then any other minor regional tax like county one???

or those taxes arent compose, so everyone calculates their snatchs from 100M in general????
 
Pelu said:
hey, how does tax work in us... i mean at corporate level...

If i have lets say 100,000,000 bucks, I hear federal tax is 35%

that means that i take away from the 100M the 35% and from that number then State tax snatch some then any other minor regional tax like county one???

or those taxes arent compose, so everyone calculates their snatchs from 100M in general????
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snatch snatch snatch
 
I think he's asking if the taxes are computed based on the amount remaining AFTER paying other, higher order taxes.

So if you start with $100, the Fed takes 25%.

You're left with $75; the state wants 5% - do you pay $5 (5% of $100) or $3.75 (5% of the remaining $75).

At least that's what I get out of his first post.
 
rivan said:
I think he's asking if the taxes are computed based on the amount remaining AFTER paying other, higher order taxes.

So if you start with $100, the Fed takes 25%.

You're left with $75; the state wants 5% - do you pay $5 (5% of $100) or $3.75 (5% of the remaining $75).

At least that's what I get out of his first post.
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Ya... that is what I mean... but which one is the answer????
 
Pelu said:
Ya... that is what I mean... but which one is the answer????
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First off, your net income should already be after local taxes are expensed.

In general, you calculate state income tax on your net income, and deduct state income tax expense from net income to calculate your federal.
 
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Pelu said:
hey, how does tax work in us... i mean at corporate level...

If i have lets say 100,000,000 bucks, I hear federal tax is 35%

that means that i take away from the 100M the 35% and from that number then State tax snatch some then any other minor regional tax like county one???

or those taxes arent compose, so everyone calculates their snatchs from 100M in general????
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Lets say that the corporation has 100M of profit (not bucks because that just makes things complicated without knowing the expenses).

Then the corporation would pay estimated state taxes on the 100M. Lets just pretend the corporation was in Oklahoma (since corporate taxes are easy to calculate there) and thus must pay 6% state tax. The corporation would pay 6% of $100M = $6M of state corporate income tax.

The company is left with $94M of profit after state taxes. The federal income tax for corporations is right around 35%. So, the corporation would pay 35% of $94M = $33M. The corporation would be left with $61M of profit to do whatever it wants to do with.

If the corporation decides to give that money to the shareholders, then most shareholders will likely pay federal and state dividend tax (unless it was in a retirement account). It is 15% federal tax on that dividend in most cases (down as low as 5% if you otherwise have a low income). Suppose Pelu that you are the only shareholder. In that case, you'll get $61M of income and you'd pay $9M of federal axes. You'd also pay 6.75% state tax on that $61M, which is $4M. You'd net $48M which is just about half of the original $100M profit.

Of course, this is almost the worst case scenario, where you have no other deductions or other ways to offset the tax burden. About half of all corporations pay no taxes at all (even profitable Fortune 500 companies). They build up years of deductions, offsets, depreciations, etc to make certain that they don't have taxes to pay.
 
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Thx a lot... thats data was the one I was looking for...

dullard said:
Lets say that the corporation has 100M of profit (not bucks because that just makes things complicated).

Then the corporation would pay estimated state taxes on the 100M. Lets just pretend the corporation was in Oklahoma (since corporate taxes are easy there) and thus must pay 6% state tax. The corporation would pay 6% of $100M = $6M of tax.

The company is left with $94M of profit after state taxes. The federal income tax for corporations is right around 35%. So, the corporation would pay 35% of $94M = $33M. The corporation would be left with $61M of profit to do whatever it wants to do with.

If the corporation decides to give that money to the shareholders, then most shareholders will likely pay 15% tax on that dividend. Suppose Pelu that you are the only shareholder. In that case, you'll get $61M of income and you'd pay $9M of federal long-term capital gains taxes. You'd also pay 6.75% state long term capital gains tax on that $61M, which is $4M. You'd net $48M which is just about half of the original $100M profit.

Of course, this is almost the worst case scenario, where you have no other deductions or other ways to offset the tax burden. About half of all corporations pay no taxes at all (even profitable Fortune 500 companies). They build up years of deductions, offsets, depreciations, etc to make certain that they don't have taxes to pay.
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dullard said:
Lets say that the corporation has 100M of profit (not bucks because that just makes things complicated).

Then the corporation would pay estimated state taxes on the 100M. Lets just pretend the corporation was in Oklahoma (since corporate taxes are easy there) and thus must pay 6% state tax. The corporation would pay 6% of $100M = $6M of tax.

The company is left with $94M of profit after state taxes. The federal income tax for corporations is right around 35%. So, the corporation would pay 35% of $94M = $33M. The corporation would be left with $61M of profit to do whatever it wants to do with.

If the corporation decides to give that money to the shareholders, then most shareholders will likely pay 15% tax on that dividend. Suppose Pelu that you are the only shareholder. In that case, you'll get $61M of income and you'd pay $9M of federal long-term capital gains taxes. You'd also pay 6.75% state long term capital gains tax on that $61M, which is $4M. You'd net $48M which is just about half of the original $100M profit.

Of course, this is almost the worst case scenario, where you have no other deductions or other ways to offset the tax burden. About half of all corporations pay no taxes at all (even profitable Fortune 500 companies). They build up years of deductions, offsets, depreciations, etc to make certain that they don't have taxes to pay.
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I think you mean Dividend tax, not LTCG tax.
 
UglyCasanova said:
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Go here and look at the rate schedule. It is not always 35%.
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We are talking about $100M though. If corporate taxable income is over $18,333,333 then the tax rate is 35%. The other odd numbers are set up so that small corporations pay less, but all the rest average out to be right near 35%.
 
dullard said:
We are talking about $100M though. If corporate taxable income is over $18,333,333 then the tax rate is 35%. The other odd numbers are set up so that small corporations pay less, but all the rest average out to be right near 35%.
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True but still worth noting. I don't know the ratio of corporations with sub $18.3 mil net income compared with those above, but I'm sure it is significant.
 
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