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Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: skateallday
Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
There's no safety mechanism, except maybe for preventing you into shifting into first. The effect of downshifting will depending on how fast you're going. Obviously, the greater the initial speed at the time of the "mistake," the higher the RPMs will be at the lower gear, and the greater the slowing effect is on your speed. If you release the clutch gradually, you'll notice that something is wrong and that will give you time to shift into the correct gear. If you're bad with the clutch, the car will jerk to a sudden lower speed, and your motor will suffer.

I use downshifting to slow down gradually. If I'm slowing to a halt, I shift from 5th to 2nd, or 4th to 2nd. The key is smooth clutch action.

Id listen to him. he sounds like he know what he is talking about. manuals are easy. wouldnt want anything else but
Wrong==I don't know what I'm talking about. Listen to the gear heads instead.
Actually, you're right. I wouldn't recommend making it your habit to use the "smooth clutch action" to slow down though. Brakes are a lot easier and cheaper to replace than clutches.
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
dispel these myths please:

true or false?
1. fully depressing clutch in 1st gear for prolonged time (1min+) to take off faster is during a red light bad for the car rather than leaving it in neutral & brake.
True. And please don't pop the clutch to impress the chicks.

alright, here's a second one:
2. during heavy heavy traffic, I only flirt with the clutch to creep inch by inch, by slightly depressing/releasing repeatedly right before the stalling point. Is this horribly bad for the car? If so, how the fvck do you drive a stick in heavy traffic? There is no room to push gas in such heavy traffic, you know what I mean.
 

Demon-Xanth

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The throwout bearing is the bearing that rides between the clutch assembly itself and the fork that goes to the cable/cylinder that the pedal itself engages. The bearing does NOTHING when the clutch pedal doesn't have a foot on it. When you press on the pedal, the fork presses the bearing onto the springs holding the clutch onto the flywheel, and the clutch pulls away from the flywheel.
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
The throwout bearing is the bearing that rides between the clutch assembly itself and the fork that goes to the cable/cylinder that the pedal itself engages. The bearing does NOTHING when the clutch pedal doesn't have a foot on it. When you press on the pedal, the fork presses the bearing onto the springs holding the clutch onto the flywheel, and the clutch pulls away from the flywheel.

so it's bad for 1.
 

Banana

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Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
dispel these myths please:

true or false?
1. fully depressing clutch in 1st gear for prolonged time (1min+) to take off faster is during a red light bad for the car rather than leaving it in neutral & brake.
True. And please don't pop the clutch to impress the chicks.

alright, here's a second one:
2. during heavy heavy traffic, I only flirt with the clutch to creep inch by inch, by slightly depressing/releasing repeatedly right before the stalling point. Is this horribly bad for the car? If so, how the fvck do you drive a stick in heavy traffic? There is no room to push gas in such heavy traffic, you know what I mean.
Bingo--that's why a manual transmission sucks for heavy city driving. Lots of shifting. I used to suffer from road rage before I got a cushy automatic family car :) Now I drive like Grandpa.
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
dispel these myths please:

true or false?
1. fully depressing clutch in 1st gear for prolonged time (1min+) to take off faster is during a red light bad for the car rather than leaving it in neutral & brake.
True. And please don't pop the clutch to impress the chicks.

alright, here's a second one:
2. during heavy heavy traffic, I only flirt with the clutch to creep inch by inch, by slightly depressing/releasing repeatedly right before the stalling point. Is this horribly bad for the car? If so, how the fvck do you drive a stick in heavy traffic? There is no room to push gas in such heavy traffic, you know what I mean.
Bingo--that's why a manual transmission sucks for heavy city driving. Lots of shifting. I used to suffer from road rage before I got a cushy automatic family car :) Now I drive like Grandpa.

yea so i have no choice but to do that. And it shouldn't be too bad for the car. right?

 

Demon-Xanth

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For #2, I usually rev the engine slightly before slipping it just to keep it above idle. If I can, I try to keep it above 5MPH so I can just ride 1st gear.
 

Thegonagle

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Originally posted by: 1YellowPeril
Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
dispel these myths please:

true or false?
1. fully depressing clutch in 1st gear for prolonged time (1min+) to take off faster is during a red light bad for the car rather than leaving it in neutral & brake.
True. And please don't pop the clutch to impress the chicks.

Yeah. Somehow, chicks just don't understand how cool it is. ;)

What you're wearing out when you stand on the clutch is called the release bearing, AKA, the throwout bearing, or sometimes just "the throwout."

The throwout connects non-rotating the release fork to the springy fingers of the spinning pressure plate. The release fork is actually a lever that's partially inside, and partially outside of the clutch housing, also called the bell housing because it's shaped like a bell that's sitting on its side. When the slave cylinder pushes against (or the cable pulls against) the outside part of the release fork, the opposite side pushes against the release bearing, making it do its thing, subjecting it to normal wear. It's best to minimize this normal wear when possible by not standing on the clutch for an abnormally long period of time.
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For #2, I usually rev the engine slightly before slipping it just to keep it above idle. If I can, I try to keep it above 5MPH so I can just ride 1st gear.

that's what i do too. keeps from having to keep inching.
btw, if you stop tailgating the other car - it will help too! ;)
 

LOLyourFace

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For #2, I usually rev the engine slightly before slipping it just to keep it above idle. If I can, I try to keep it above 5MPH so I can just ride 1st gear.

not even 5 mph, the car will stall in first gear. grr..
 

RossGr

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An example of perhaps just this sort of error.

A coworker recently got himself a Ford Lighting, this is a Pickup with over 400 hp under the hood, more like a dragster in disguise. A few weeks ago as he was driving on one of the local main throughfares, a kid in a Eagle Talon gave him the "show me what you got" signs. For what ever reason my friend accepted the challenge and but the pedal to the metal, it was no match, the Lighting showed the Talon its tail lights, but as he was pulling away my friend heard and felt something smack his passenger side door, in his rearview he saw smoke and pieces flying from under the hood of the Talon.

Could it be that the kid, in a panic as he found himself completly out classed, grabed for 4th and hit 2nd?

My Coworker by that time was past 100 and did not bother, for fear of attracting pigs, to go back and find out what happened. It did cost him $400 to repair the damage to his rig. We are not sure what hit his rig, perhaps a piece of flywheel.
 

StageLeft

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In heavy traffic I hate riding the clutch at all so I generally try to coast at 5 mph for as long as possible and then at the last moment I hit the brakes before hitting the car in front of me. Then I leave several car lengths before starting again. Most of the people here have autos and some seem to get annoyed by me leaving such a long distance between me and the car in front, but I'm not going to burn the clutch out just to please their stupidity, so fvck them!
 

I've accidently shifted into 3rd when going into 5th on the highway.
I've also helped my gf learn stick, she was shifting, I was driving to give her the basic idea of how it works.
She put me into 1st when going into 3rd.
Both times I realized the mistake as the engine started to decelerate very quickly as I was letting off the clutch.
No engine damage occured.