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Question about a rod bearing and a used car

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my former car had similar symptoms to this rattle. but the problem was just the crankshaft pulley (aka the Harmonic Balancer). The part has three layers, the metal bore which attaches to the crankshaft, the middle which is made of a rubber, and the outer metal part which carries the serpentine belt. The rubber serves to dampein vibrations and what not, and it got corroded, so it was metal on metal causing a chattering noise. its a pretty easy part to visually inspect. might be worth a look.
 
Originally posted by: oogabooga
I'm not car buff, but a friend of mine who is bought a new (well.. it was used) engine for his car, didn't get the engine checked within 30 days so he could exchange it if it had a problem(he's has a bit too much money, not enough sense) but when he did (some 2 months later) he found there was a spun Rod Bearing.

He explained the details to me of why this was bad, but sadly i dont remember. Basically he said to sum it all up "at any given moment, this engine is borked".

=\ From what i understand replacing the rod bearing is very very labor intensive, even if you -could- do it yourself you wouldn't want to. I'd be very careful about this.
If this guy is as knowledgable as it sounds : you should ask him about the details of it, etc.

Taking good care of your car doesn't mean that nothing bad can happen. You'll want to get this car carefully checked from a third party (or 2.. ie mechanics) that arn't looking to sell you the car...

how much for a checkup like that?
 
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
I always found that a rod bearing made a noise when you gave the gas a real snap. The extra force would make it clunk pretty good. That little rattle at startup is probably nothing. My Ford 302 did that since the day I got it till the day I sold it 6 years later, never got any worse.

That sounds more like a U Joint than a rod bearing.
 
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
I always found that a rod bearing made a noise when you gave the gas a real snap. The extra force would make it clunk pretty good. That little rattle at startup is probably nothing. My Ford 302 did that since the day I got it till the day I sold it 6 years later, never got any worse.
That wasn't a rod bearing it was the main bearing thrust washer and it's a known issue on the late 80's to early 90's 302 Ford engine.

 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Gobadgrs, if your dad's friend says the rattle lasts for less than 3 seconds that is very abnormal for any rod or main bearing noise. It sounds more like a cheap oil filter that doesn't have a anti-drain back valve and the engine has to prime the oil system at start up everytime.

the rattle is less than a second from what ive heard, and its so quiet that unless you really listen for it, you dont notice it

sound like tapping noise? Only at startup... I'm thinking could be oil starved valve lifter...
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Gobadgrs, if your dad's friend says the rattle lasts for less than 3 seconds that is very abnormal for any rod or main bearing noise. It sounds more like a cheap oil filter that doesn't have a anti-drain back valve and the engine has to prime the oil system at start up everytime.

the rattle is less than a second from what ive heard, and its so quiet that unless you really listen for it, you dont notice it
I starting to think it's not a rod or bearing but either the oil filter issue or something outside the engine making the noise at start up.
 
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
I always found that a rod bearing made a noise when you gave the gas a real snap. The extra force would make it clunk pretty good. That little rattle at startup is probably nothing. My Ford 302 did that since the day I got it till the day I sold it 6 years later, never got any worse.
That wasn't a rod bearing it was the main bearing thrust washer and it's a known issue on the late 80's to early 90's 302 Ford engine.

Never heard of that prob and it was a 95. Never said it was a rod on my ford. The ones that I noticed the rod noises on were always chevs.
 
It is with some reluctane I post. I'm not going to get in a running gun battle w/anyone of the many ppl that just want to increase post count.

Listen to Mr. fire he knows much of what he speaks.

The price must be good or you would not persist 😉.

My test for rod bearings that has served me well for >40 years. With the engine fully warm, drive with the car in 2nd or 3rd gear up to about 4500rpm at full throttle then reduce throttle very quickly to the point of coasting. The unloading of the pressure on top of the pistons will cause a loose rod bearing to clatter. The clatter maybe slight, so be sure the windows are up, radio off and no heater/ac blower is on. A rod bearing maybe a $15 part but it is not like installing software. If it were my car and I was going to open it up, I would change ALL the rod & main bearings. With prolonged use a loose rod bearing can/will cause the rod journal of the crankshaft to wear *out-of-round*, The tolerance is quite small, I would guess <.00075" and journal taper at <.001. If a new bearing is put in and the crank is out of tolerance, the repair will not hold.

1 Piston slap has a hollow sound and sometimes some oil smoke.
2 Main bearing knock is most apparent under heavy load, like pulling a steep grade.
3 Valve lifter clatter will go away right after start-up and will not accure at a shift point over-run as a rod knock will.
4 Quick test for drive shaft on RWD car. Foot on brake, engine at hi-idle, shift from driove to reverse without changine throttle setting. If there is a clunk, check drive shaft.
5 CV joints that are bad will let you know when cornering.


Gobadgrs, try Google for diagnostics. Someday we will have remote assist for car repair.

Good Luck, jj





 
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
I always found that a rod bearing made a noise when you gave the gas a real snap. The extra force would make it clunk pretty good. That little rattle at startup is probably nothing. My Ford 302 did that since the day I got it till the day I sold it 6 years later, never got any worse.
That wasn't a rod bearing it was the main bearing thrust washer and it's a known issue on the late 80's to early 90's 302 Ford engine.

Never heard of that prob and it was a 95. Never said it was a rod on my ford. The ones that I noticed the rod noises on were always chevs.
I'm sorry I thought you said "My Ford 302 did that since the day I got it till the day I sold it 6 years later, never got any worse." So that's why I responded like I did.

 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
It is with some reluctane I post. I'm not going to get in a running gun battle w/anyone of the many ppl that just want to increase post count.

Listen to Mr. fire he knows much of what he speaks.

The price must be good or you would not persist 😉.

My test for rod bearings that has served me well for >40 years. With the engine fully warm, drive with the car in 2nd or 3rd gear up to about 4500rpm at full throttle then reduce throttle very quickly to the point of coasting. The unloading of the pressure on top of the pistons will cause a loose rod bearing to clatter. The clatter maybe slight, so be sure the windows are up, radio off and no heater/ac blower is on. A rod bearing maybe a $15 part but it is not like installing software. If it were my car and I was going to open it up, I would change ALL the rod & main bearings. With prolonged use a loose rod bearing can/will cause the rod journal of the crankshaft to wear *out-of-round*, The tolerance is quite small, I would guess <.00075" and journal taper at <.001. If a new bearing is put in and the crank is out of tolerance, the repair will not hold.

1 Piston slap has a hollow sound and sometimes some oil smoke.
2 Main bearing knock is most apparent under heavy load, like pulling a steep grade.
3 Valve lifter clatter will go away right after start-up and will not accure at a shift point over-run as a rod knock will.
4 Quick test for drive shaft on RWD car. Foot on brake, engine at hi-idle, shift from driove to reverse without changine throttle setting. If there is a clunk, check drive shaft.
5 CV joints that are bad will let you know when cornering.


Gobadgrs, try Google for diagnostics. Someday we will have remote assist for car repair.

Good Luck, jj

Thanks for the info 🙂

 
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Rod bearings don't rattle a little at start up and then go away. If anything it would get worse as the car heats up and the oil thins out. That sounds more like a lifter taking some time to pump up with oil and really doesn't hurt anything.

Yup.
 
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Originally posted by: Quixfire

Just to reiterate, I know the man selling it, hes my dads friend and he works on the small car platform at chrysler, so he knows what hes doing.
there's a sucker born every minute
You mis-quoted here, Gobadgrs said that not me.
 
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