Quelle Surprise!

[cytg111]

Today's polling shows Macron up by 26 points. I think the hacks probably cost Clinton 2-3 points at most. Enough to make the difference in our election, but not in France with that margin. Good riddance to Le Pen. Nice try Vlad.

Also, this reaction will be quite interresting to follow cause I have a feeling we, the free nations, have built up some antibodies to foreign meddling. At some point this meddling is gonna hit the same nerve that the EU does when dictating irrelevant stupid stuff, just much much worse. I do hope peoples eyes are opening.

 

[Crumpet]

AM I the only one who thinks all this Russian hacking business is completely wrong?

I don't think Russia's hacked anyone. [edit - recently]

The countries that have been PROVEN to be hacking in the last couple of years are the US and Germany. And the US were hacking Germany.

 

[cytg111]

AM I the only one who thinks all this Russian hacking business is completely wrong?

- Well, flat-earthers is a thing so, no, I dont think you are the only one. I do think its out there in denial land though.

 

[Crumpet]

Well WikiLeaks already revealed the information a while ago that US hackers have the capabilities to mask their hacking as coming from another country.

So funny how all these countries are all getting hacked by "Russia".

http://thehackernews.com/2017/03/cia-marble-framework.html

 

[cytg111]

Well WikiLeaks already revealed the information months ago that US hackers have the capabilities to mask their hacking as coming from another country.

So funny how all these countries are all getting hacked by "Russia".

Arent you concerned that 95% of wikileaks output is anti american interests? ..specially 2016 onwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks

One may soon come to one of two conclusions that either wikileaks is an agent OR .. what are they calling Carter? An unwitting agent? As they say, there is no exemption for ignorance.

 

[Crumpet]

Arent you concerned that 95% of wikileaks output is anti american interests? ..specially 2016 onwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks

One may soon come to one of two conclusions that either wikileaks is an agent OR .. what are they calling Carter? An unwitting agent? As they say, there is no exemption for ignorance.

Hahahaha no, no i'm not concerned at all.

 

[cytg111]

Hahahaha no, no i'm not concerned at all.

Then, to me, you are showing the same colors as wikileaks.

 

[Crumpet]

I'm British, I have zero affiliation to America.

You lot have been KNOWN to meddle in the politics of the world since the early 1900's, it's only the last few years that people have had the strength to stand up and let the world know what your Government gets up to.

 

[cytg111]

I'm British, I have zero affiliation to America.

You lot have been KNOWN to meddle in the politics of the world since the early 1900's, it's only the last few years that people have had the strength to stand up and let the world know what your Government gets up to.

And theres the color . So while wikileaks may be dishonest, you will allow it cause it aligns with your personal beliefs. Not an uncommon trait.
I aint no yankee either, in fact you and me are not far apart(not mixing brexit into the equation). I think you have to see the world as how it formed after WW2 and see us as inclusive and not exclusive. Is the US a saint? Hell no. Is the coalition we have the best thing present now and going forward? Hell yes. Unite, dont divide.
Consider the moneyplayers in the US that plays ball with foreign powers be the players that cofunded the fake news campaign in the US elections, that funded the Brexit campaign.. I have yet to see the moneytrail on the french election but it will come to light. See the international moves, the geopolitics, and where it originates.. and who is willing to sell out their own country for a buck.

 

[Crumpet]

The White House's response to that wikileaks leak was to condemn them for leaking classified information. No denial.

So how can you call that dishonest? The CIA ARE hacking other countries and blaming it on Russia/China and have effectively admitted to it.

 

[fskimospy]

The White House's response to that wikileaks leak was to condemn them for leaking classified information. No denial.

So how can you call that dishonest? The CIA ARE hacking other countries and blaming it on Russia/China and have effectively admitted to it.

So to be clear you're saying that the US government, under control of a Democratic president, illegally hacked the systems of the Democratic candidate for president in order to harm her chances of winning and blamed it on Russia?

I don't think you've thought this through.

 

[cytg111]

The White House's response to that wikileaks leak was to condemn them for leaking classified information. No denial.

So how can you call that dishonest? The CIA ARE hacking other countries and blaming it on Russia/China and have effectively admitted to it.

It is dishonest because wikileaks is only leaking one side. I think you understand this but again is scrambling to protect your personal established views. It is not a failure to take a new stance on something.. its a failure to climb trees that you will never be able to descend from.

 

[Crumpet]

So to be clear you're saying that the US government, under control of a Democratic president, illegally hacked the systems of the Democratic candidate for president in order to harm her chances of winning and blamed it on Russia?

I don't think you've thought this through.

Hahhaahhaa no, I would definitely put Russia behind that one because Russia, for good reason, thoroughly disliked Clinton. But to be fair, half the world had good reason to keep Clinton out of power. She's dangerous.

 

[Crumpet]

It is dishonest because wikileaks is only leaking one side. I think you understand this but again is scrambling to protect your personal established views. It is not a failure to take a new stance on something.. its a failure to climb trees that you will never be able to descend from.

I'll support the views of anyone who can leak information from any country up to no good, including, and especially, my own.

Hell the UK government is selling our personal data to the Americans at 1 terabyte of data every 15 minutes.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll support the views of anyone who can leak information from any country up to no good, including, and especially, my own.

Hell the UK government is selling our personal data to the Americans at 1 terabyte of data every 15 minutes.

At this point evidence strongly indicates that Wikileaks is compromised by Russian intelligence. Doesn't that make trusting them problematic?

 

[cytg111]

I'll support the views of anyone who can leak information from any country up to no good, including, and especially, my own.

Hell the UK government is selling our personal data to the Americans at 1 terabyte of data every 15 minutes.

You understand how extremely easy it is to manipulate your point of view by proxy then?

 

[fskimospy]

Hahhaahhaa no, I would definitely put Russia behind that one because Russia, for good reason, thoroughly disliked Clinton. But to be fair, half the world had good reason to keep Clinton out of power. She's dangerous.

I bet if you polled the governments of the world and asked if they preferred Clinton or Trump Clinton would have won overwhelmingly.

She was a regular presidential candidate in the mold of most over the last 70 years. Trump was a mentally ill ignoramus. Countries don't like that.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Probably Russia yes, they'd love to destroy the EU.

 

[Crumpet]

At this point evidence strongly indicates that Wikileaks is compromised by Russian intelligence. Doesn't that make trusting them problematic?

Got link to that evidence?

I bet if you polled the governments of the world and asked if they preferred Clinton or Trump Clinton would have won overwhelmingly.

She was a regular presidential candidate in the mold of most over the last 70 years. Trump was a mentally ill ignoramus. Countries don't like that.

Clinton had made threats, verbal and physical to quite a few countries, and had she got in quite a few European countries were worries that she was going to start WW3.

Trump is an idiot, he's only really harmful to America.

 

[Grooveriding]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/...-hack-french-election-marine-le-pen.html?_r=1

These far right fanatics are dedicated, as fanaticism tends to be. They believe they are some sort of holy white warriors saving the world. It's neo-nazism for the digital age. I have significant doubts this will make a lick of difference and expect Le Pen is going to lose no matter what. The demographics and values are different in France, and while she has a good chunk of support, it's not enough for her to actually win. The US right has been dining on bizarre propaganda for decades now and was susceptible to the alt right garbage. The hole in their skulls was already dug.

It's easy to sit on your ass in your white supremacist den and spam 4chan, Reddit & Twitter all day. I'm curious on what kind of effective strategy can be used to counter this garbage and don't see a real way to effectively spin back to reality those already indoctrinated. A strategy of prevention is probably the best bet. For example if you look at Trump cultists on 4chan and Reddit, they are far gone, no bringing them back to reality. The best course is preventing people from getting there. It is difficult when anyone can erect a fake news website in an hour or post some random garbage on Twitter, then use alt-right fanatics to try and infect it into the minds of whoever they can.

Putin and his propaganda arm no doubt saw the susceptibility of the right of America from years of being fed unfettered garbage propaganda and knew they would be easily manipulated. I have my doubts France has enough of a demographic similarly primed for reception of distorted information.

 

[cytg111]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/...-hack-french-election-marine-le-pen.html?_r=1

These far right fanatics are dedicated, as fanaticism tends to be. They believe they are some sort of holy white warriors saving the world. It's neo-nazism for the digital age. I have significant doubts this will make a lick of difference and expect Le Pen is going to lose no matter what. The demographics and values are different in France, and while she has a good chunk of support, it's not enough for her to actually win. The US right has been dining on bizarre propaganda for decades now and was susceptible to the alt right garbage. The hole in their skulls was already dug.

It's easy to sit on your ass in your white supremacist den and spam 4chan, Reddit & Twitter all day. I'm curious on what kind of effective strategy can be used to counter this garbage and don't see a real way to effectively spin back to reality those already indoctrinated. A strategy of prevention is probably the best bet. For example if you look at Trump cultists on 4chan and Reddit, they are far gone, no bringing them back to reality. The best course is preventing people from getting there. It is difficult when anyone can erect a fake news website in an hour or post some random garbage on Twitter, then use alt-right fanatics to try and infect it into the minds of whoever they can.

Putin and his propaganda arm no doubt saw the susceptibility of the right of America from years of being fed unfettered garbage propaganda and knew they would be easily manipulated. I have my doubts France has enough of a demographic similarly primed for reception of distorted information.

“It’s the anti-globalists trying to go global,”

dam son, its like

"Anarchists unite, this way"
- dont tell me what to do...

 

[1prophet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/...-hack-french-election-marine-le-pen.html?_r=1

These far right fanatics are dedicated, as fanaticism tends to be. They believe they are some sort of holy white warriors saving the world. It's neo-nazism for the digital age. I have significant doubts this will make a lick of difference and expect Le Pen is going to lose no matter what. The demographics and values are different in France, and while she has a good chunk of support, it's not enough for her to actually win. The US right has been dining on bizarre propaganda for decades now and was susceptible to the alt right garbage. The hole in their skulls was already dug.

It's easy to sit on your ass in your white supremacist den and spam 4chan, Reddit & Twitter all day. I'm curious on what kind of effective strategy can be used to counter this garbage and don't see a real way to effectively spin back to reality those already indoctrinated. A strategy of prevention is probably the best bet. For example if you look at Trump cultists on 4chan and Reddit, they are far gone, no bringing them back to reality. The best course is preventing people from getting there. It is difficult when anyone can erect a fake news website in an hour or post some random garbage on Twitter, then use alt-right fanatics to try and infect it into the minds of whoever they can.

Putin and his propaganda arm no doubt saw the susceptibility of the right of America from years of being fed unfettered garbage propaganda and knew they would be easily manipulated. I have my doubts France has enough of a demographic similarly primed for reception of distorted information.

And the neo liberals while pointing the finger at the Russian bogeyman and other right wing demagogues fail to see that they and their global trade (in the name of profit and bypassing many of the rules and regulations they push for but are loathe to pay for), along with multiculturalism being used to compromising western secular values,etc. have been, and still are paving the wide road that gives these right wing types the necessary traction and path to move forward and make unprecedented political gains.

You brought this upon yourselves when you threw the working class under the bus for profit and compromised your secular values and principles in order not to offend the religious right of the middle east.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Blaming this on MUH PUTINZ - underestimating russian intelligence.

This seems like a shit n' gigs dump or lazy psyop because the timing, quite frankly, is awful if we're to believe it's an attempt to sway votes.

I haven't finished the thread so apologies if it has been covered. Releasing them now appears to be a smart move. France has a reporting blackout before the election, to me this is a perfect time to insert mistruth or out right lies on to social media because it sounds like nobody can dispel anything that's wrong.

*not an expert in French elections or media* someone please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[UNCjigga]

You brought this upon yourselves when you threw the working class under the bus for profit and compromised your secular values and principles in order not to offend the religious right of the middle east.

Neo Liberals did what?? Since the Reagan era, the only party that has consistently thrown the working class under the bus and compromised secular values is the Republican Party.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'll support the views of anyone who can leak information from any country up to no good, including, and especially, my own.

Hell the UK government is selling our personal data to the Americans at 1 terabyte of data every 15 minutes.

Welcome to the AT P&N forums, please say hi to Putin for me Comrade