quarantine nurse complains

[MomentsofSanity]

Initial reports said he was feeling ill while he was about the town.

Seems those reports now say he was not symptomatic.

No comment on the rest of it such as limiting the movements of all medical personnel treating current Ebola patients in the US? Which is what you are suggesting by supporting her movements being limited.

 

[Texashiker]

No comment on the rest of it such as limiting the movements of all medical personnel treating current Ebola patients in the US? Which is what you are suggesting by supporting her movements being limited.

Please see my edit.

Doctor felt "sluggish" Tuesday
Went bowling, took subway and taxi Wednesday
Had fever Thursday.


We can not have it both ways.

We can not violate civil rights with mandatory vaccines, but complain when someone is in quarantine.

Both are to protect public health.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Please see my edit.

Doctor felt "sluggish" Tuesday
Went bowling, took subway and taxi Wednesday
Had fever Thursday.


We can not have it both ways.

We can not violate civil rights with mandatory vaccines, but complain when someone is in quarantine.

Both are to protect public health.

No, they aren't. You again are engaging in your usual tactic of false equivalency. I am not sure if it's intentional because you can't argue on the merits of each circumstance or you are just incapable of evaluating them individually but they are not the same.

In the case of vaccination for health workers, there is a demonstrable risk which has lead medical professionals to determine that that is the best course of action in order to ensure public health.

In this case medical professionals resoundingly agree that there is no cause to quarantine everyone who has had contact with someone with ebola as it doesn't serve the public interest and, in fact, can have an overall negative effect.

 

[Genx87]

Next time there is a thread about mandatory vaccination I will remember that post.

To be honest I am not all that inclined for mandatory vaccination programs neither. It is a case by case situation for me.

 

[theeedude]

Looks like Christie stepped in it. I think even the right wing media has the knives out for him, because they want to clear the road for Jeb Bush.

 

[Texashiker]

In this case medical professionals resoundingly agree that there is no cause to quarantine everyone who has had contact with someone with ebola as it doesn't serve the public interest and, in fact, can have an overall negative effect.

Sure is funny when poor blacks in dallas were in quarantine nobody seemed to give a crap. One of those people was unable to pay her rent and was evicted because of the quarantine.

White nurse gets quarantined, and all of a sudden there is no need in quarantine and it is a civil rights violation.

 

[xBiffx]

I think the nurse should be blaming her colleagues. Some of them acted irresponsibly and cause part of this mess.

Also, she doesn't really have a valid argument to most people when she works in a profession whose main motto is "first, do no harm." If she really cared about that, she wouldn't be complaining so much.

No doubt her situation sucks, but she knew full well the ramifications of her actions. She should be thankful that she likely didn't contract the disease and that no one is going to be infected by her actions. Instead she sounds like a self centered asshole who does what she pleases, consequences be damned.

 

[trenchfoot]

Sure is funny when poor blacks in dallas were in quarantine nobody seemed to give a crap. One of those people was unable to pay her rent and was evicted because of the quarantine.

White nurse gets quarantined, and all of a sudden there is no need in quarantine and it is a civil rights violation.

Not getting into with you on the race part of your post, but from a few late breaking media source news that I've run into, the comment was made that that nurse did get a "mild fever" reading upon deplaning, which justified her "initially" being quarantined. After some time (a few days?) under observation, it was observed that she no longer had an elevated temperature, cooler heads prevailed and she was released for further processing.

Some health care professionals/experts who stepped back and looked at the bigger picture of how the nurse was processed through the screening system opined that "at the end of the day, the system worked as it should."

All politicizing of the issue aside, given how when attempting to balance the need to halt the spread of an especially deadly disease and erring on the side of caution against the possible violation of the civil rights of our citizens, I tend to agree with that assessment.

 

[Texashiker]

Not getting into with you on the race part of your post, but from a few late breaking media source news that I've run into, the comment was made that that nurse did get a "mild fever" reading upon deplaning, which justified her "initially" being quarantined.

I do not think it is a matter of race. It is more to a matter of someone standing up for their rights. When the nurse started talking about lawsuits and civil rights authorities changed their tone.

However, the supreme court made a ruling in 1905 stating the government has the right to curtail civil rights to protect the general welfare of the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

The Court's decision articulated the view that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state.

During an outbreak, for example, the state can encroach on those liberties when "the safety of the general public may demand.

In the end, the government has the right to protect the public, even if that means violating certain civil rights of the individual.

 

[fskimospy]

I do not think it is a matter of race. It is more to a matter of someone standing up for their rights. When the nurse started talking about lawsuits and civil rights authorities changed their tone.

However, the supreme court made a ruling in 1905 stating the government has the right to curtail civil rights to protect the general welfare of the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

In the end, the government has the right to protect the public, even if that means violating certain civil rights of the individual.

This is very true! Unfortunately for you, quarantining this person doesn't help the public. If anything it probably hurts it.

Also, why did you bring up a private business being able to mandate vaccination for its employees and try to compare it to government action?

 

[Texashiker]

Also, why did you bring up a private business being able to mandate vaccination for its employees and try to compare it to government action?

Why do you flip-flop on the issues?

In one thread you are all for violating civil rights to protect the health of the public.

Next thread oh the horror that the poor nurse had her rights violated.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Sure is funny when poor blacks in dallas were in quarantine nobody seemed to give a crap. One of those people was unable to pay her rent and was evicted because of the quarantine.

White nurse gets quarantined, and all of a sudden there is no need in quarantine and it is a civil rights violation.

No. Complete fabrication. They were being evicted before the whole event began.

As for the quarantine, well, the State of Texas sought a legal order under the circumstance. Race played no part in it. They overreacted but considering how they handled most of it their ineptness shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

 

[Texashiker]

As for the quarantine, well, the State of Texas sought a legal order under the circumstance. Race played no part in it. They overreacted but considering how they handled most of it their ineptness shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

I wonder if the ACLU is going to help those black families lawyer up?

Chances are probably not. Because the state was well within its rights.

 

[fskimospy]

Why do you flip-flop on the issues?

In one thread you are all for violating civil rights to protect the health of the public.

Next thread oh the horror that the poor nurse had her rights violated.

Can you explain how you consider a private business making requirements for its employees the same thing as the government quarantining someone?

I personally don't particularly care either way. It's always about the burdens imposed on an individual vs. the gain to society. In the case of this ebola quarantine it's a negative gain for society and a large burden.

None of that changes how you attempted to dishonestly conflate government forcible quarantine with conditions of employment at a private business. You're either stupid or a liar, which one is it?

 

[brycejones]

You're either stupid or a liar, which one is it?

Why can't he be a stupid liar? Why are you taking away TugjobHiker's freedom to be who he he wants to be? You anti-American commie.

 

[Texashiker]

Can you explain how you consider a private business making requirements for its employees the same thing as the government quarantining someone?

None of that changes how you attempted to dishonestly conflate government forcible quarantine with conditions of employment at a private business. You're either stupid or a liar, which one is it?

Whether it is a private company or the government, individual civil rights should be upheld.

Now explain why you flip-flop on issues.

 

[massmedia]

This is very true! Unfortunately for you, quarantining this person doesn't help the public. If anything it probably hurts it.

Also, why did you bring up a private business being able to mandate vaccination for its employees and try to compare it to government action?

will someone please point me to a scientific paper on pubmed that indicates that quarantining ebola nurses for 21 days leads to public harm

 

[lopri]

I think the nurse's complaint is going to have a tough time succeeding. The states have a strong argument on their side. Unless she receives a sub-standard treatment (which is unlikely) while she is quarantined, she will unfortunately have no claim.

This, however, doesn't mean that the States' action is wise. If this is going to be repeated, those who are potentially infected by Ebola will become wary of reporting themselves.

 

[massmedia]

Quarantine is the way to go but let them be very comfortable for the duration. Uncle sam can pay them double salary... cater their food... give them a room with a large tv... computer with 400 bucks in steam credits and full cable and whattnot.

 

[fskimospy]

Whether it is a private company or the government, individual civil rights should be upheld.

Now explain why you flip-flop on issues.

Interesting, so your argument is that she had a civil right to be employed by that business.

In that case I'm going to go talk to Goldman Sachs. Apparently I have a civil right to be employed by whoever I want and they pay really well.

 

[Texashiker]

computer with 400 bucks in steam credits and full cable and whattnot.

That is what I am thinking. Gaming pc, my steam account, some cash to spend on new games even though I have dozens in backlog.

21 days to play tf2, left 4 dead 2, skyrim, farcry 3, fallout 3, fallout: new vegas, rust, witcher 2,,,, where do I sign up?

 

[fskimospy]

will someone please point me to a scientific paper on pubmed that indicates that quarantining ebola nurses for 21 days leads to public harm

It leads to public harm by the judgment of experts in the field. Considering we have never had 21 day quarantines on nurses that have treated Ebola patients before I'm quite sure you know such a paper can't exist.

Can you explain why you believe you have a superior understanding of the requirements for monitoring of people from that region than the recognized experts in the field?

 

[Texashiker]

Interesting, so your argument is that she had a civil right to be employed by that business.

You have a right to control what goes into your body.

Company reps walks up to a muslim or jew, tells them condition of their employment is they have to eat pork.

Company reps walks up to a pregnant woman, tells her company policy prohibits getting pregnant. Explains she has to get an abortion or she will be fired.

 

[theeedude]

I think the nurse should be blaming her colleagues. Some of them acted irresponsibly and cause part of this mess.

Also, she doesn't really have a valid argument to most people when she works in a profession whose main motto is "first, do no harm." If she really cared about that, she wouldn't be complaining so much.

No doubt her situation sucks, but she knew full well the ramifications of her actions. She should be thankful that she likely didn't contract the disease and that no one is going to be infected by her actions. Instead she sounds like a self centered asshole who does what she pleases, consequences be damned.

She knew ramifications of her actions, and so far there haven't been any. She is Ebola free, and as far as I know she is agreeing to reasonable precautions, such as monitoring for fever, over 21 day period.
What she didn't know are the ramifications of actions of actual self centered asshole who does what he pleases, aka Chris Christie. He confined her to a medically unnecessary but what he thought was politically opportune quarantine for his 2016 plans. Looks like it backfired at him. Good.

 

[fskimospy]

You have a right to control what goes into your body.

Company reps walks up to a muslim or jew, tells them condition of their employment is they have to eat pork.

Company reps walks up to a pregnant woman, tells her company policy prohibits getting pregnant. Explains she has to get an abortion or she will be fired.

Federal law prohibits both of those actions. Federal law does not prohibit vaccination requirements for health care workers.

End of story. So again, why are you attempting to compare the two? Was it ignorance or dishonesty?